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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Someone wrote words to the effect that, no matter how meritorius a new scientific understanding is, it is often accepted only when the old scientists die.
    Well summarized.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    It'll never fly, Orville!

    The irony is that this isn't even theoretical. You can go to Amazon and buy a CD player for $50 that proves that all of this actually works! The problem is the same as it has always been... lack of critical thinking skills.
    It's not about proving, it's about allowing people the time to come around.

    Like the other poster said, no matter how meritorious a new scientific understanding is, it is often accepted only when the old scientists die.

    Horse to water? lol
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    Psst! I'll let you in on a little secret. I'm not really talking to him. I'm talking past him to the group. They listen even when he doesn't. It might help someone. I doubt he'll ever come around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Someone wrote words to the effect that, no matter how meritorius a new scientific understanding is, it is often accepted only when the old scientists die.
    That’s right. It takes more than just having a foot in the grave.
    Last edited by Larkenfield; Jun-03-2019 at 03:48.
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    And Van Gogh wasn't dead until both he and his brother were dead. It took a sister in law who barely knew him to make him famous.

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    Hold on for a minute … for the sake of historical accuracy:

    Vincent Van Gogh died in July 1990.

    [quote] After Van Gogh's first exhibitions in the late 1880s, his reputation grew steadily among artists, art critics, dealers and collectors.[264] In 1887 André Antoine hung Van Gogh's alongside works of Georges Seurat and Paul Signac, at the Théâtre Libre in Paris; some were acquired by Julien Tanguy.[265] In 1889 his work was described in the journal Le Moderniste Illustré by Albert Aurier as characterised by "fire, intensity, sunshine".[266] Ten paintings were shown at the Société des Artistes Indépendants, in Brussels in January 1890.[267] French president Marie François Sadi Carnot was said to have been impressed by Van Gogh's work.[268]

    After Van Gogh's death, memorial exhibitions were held in Brussels, Paris, The Hague and Antwerp. His work was shown in several high-profile exhibitions, including six works at Les XX; in 1891 there was a retrospective exhibition in Brussels.[267] In 1892 Octave Mirbeau wrote that Van Gogh's suicide was an "infinitely sadder loss for art ... even though the populace has not crowded to a magnificent funeral, and poor Vincent van Gogh, whose demise means the extinction of a beautiful flame of genius, has gone to his death as obscure and neglected as he lived.”

    Theo died in January 1891, removing Vincent's most vocal and well-connected champion.[269] Theo's widow Johanna van Gogh-Bonger was a Dutchwoman in her twenties who had not known either her husband or her brother-in law very long and who suddenly had to take care of several hundreds of paintings, letters and drawings, as well as her infant son, Vincent Willem van Gogh. [unquote]

    His sister took on the role by default but did a good job in managing his legacy and inheritance that came unsought by her because of the brothers untimely deaths, but his recognition was growing in leaps and bounds before she entered the picture after his suicide. At least someone greatly profited from his genius even if it was too late for Vincent and his abject poverty.
    Last edited by Larkenfield; Jun-03-2019 at 09:39.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    Hold on for a minute … for the sake of historical accuracy:

    Vincent Van Gogh died in July 1990.

    . . . .
    Ummmm . . . not exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    Show me controlled tests where people can hear the difference between SACD and CD using the exact same mastering.
    No, I don't need to; I hear it already. My listening is based on subjective experience, not numbers.

    Show me a test that shows that a high end amplifier and a cheap receiver sound clearly different.
    Show me a test showing jitter at the levels it occurs in home audio equipment is audible.
    The fact is, we've probably never heard truly jitter-free audio, unless we own a Direct Stream Audio Player, which addresses jitter and minimizes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    You're just butt hurt because you want validation and you aren't getting it because you're wrong. I'm beginning to think you're constantly calling me out like this because you want attention. Move on please.
    Why are you focussed on my butt? Does this mean you have "conquered" me? Whatever turns you on. I think it's really about power, not sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jegreenwood View Post
    Ummmm . . . not exactly.
    I meant of course that Van Gogh died in 1890, not 1990.
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    M-M-M-My setup has no j-j-j-j-j-itter. Not a w-w-w-w-orry for m-m-me.
    Last edited by KenOC; Jun-17-2019 at 05:29.


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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Why are you focussed on my butt?
    Motto!

    You're just making stuff up and trolling. You don't have a point.
    Last edited by bigshot; Jun-17-2019 at 08:36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    Motto!

    You're just making stuff up and trolling. You don't have a point.
    Point: JITTER IS AUDIBLE TO SOME PEOPLE, BUT NOT YOU.

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    There have been peer reviewed studies that established thresholds of perception for jitter. Audibility is in the 20 nanosecond range. I've never seen any home audio device that has jitter levels anywhere close to being audible. Every one I've seen measures in the picosecond range. Jitter is not audible in home audio gear. The only people who talk about jitter being a real issue are people who have some sort of snake oil "solution" to the problem to sell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    There have been peer reviewed studies that established thresholds of perception for jitter. Audibility is in the 20 nanosecond range. I've never seen any home audio device that has jitter levels anywhere close to being audible. Every one I've seen measures in the picosecond range. Jitter is not audible in home audio gear.
    Great post

    The only people who talk about jitter being a real issue are people who have some sort of snake oil "solution" to the problem to sell you.
    Why add the commentary and make folks defensive? Maybe you negate the value you bring in so doing?????

    Just saying.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
    Voltaire

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