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    Moving house in a fortnight, and as we already own the new place, we can take books and other things along every time we visit, which saves a lot of time on packing boxes.

    But - there's always a gripe. Knowing that, it makes it difficult to know what we should be packing, and harder to know where to make a start. I foretell that the last day or two will be just as hectic as last time.

    (PS - Adieu for a while - one of the things that will shortly be packed is my computer. But Taggart's will stay till the last minute. These mods & their privileges!)
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    Changing residences is always easier when young - you have more energy and less stuff.

    We have moved many times over the decades, and it was tougher each time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Open Book View Post
    Makeup, styled hair, and supportive undergarments almost disappeared in the 60's but came back with a vengeance. Women tried out the natural look and decided they didn't like it. They want to improve their appearance. Women expend a lot of energy on their looks, men not so much. It is funny how little men's clothing changes, dress shirts for instance.
    What people today 'know' about hippies and the 1960s is quite funny, and mostly wrong..
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    As Norman Bates said in Psycho 2, "Conservative clothes never go out of fashion." Good advice!

    My gripe is that men's clothes are almost universally designed for ultra slim men today--shirts and pants. I'm not fat or overweight, and I still often have to buy an extra large, when I'm a large, especially at Nordstroms. And I never know what size to order off the internet!

    & my poor brother, who's bigger than me (being an ex-football player), can't even shop at Nordstroms. Nothing fits him in the entire store.
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    I talked to my niece on the phone yesterday and one time asked her how old she thought I'll be in 2020...She guessed 45 and laughed her head off when I said 50...And my chin is getting soft and sloppy...Trim for the elderly for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjetil Heggelund View Post
    I talked to my niece on the phone yesterday and one time asked her how old she thought I'll be in 2020...She guessed 45 and laughed her head off when I said 50...And my chin is getting soft and sloppy...Trim for the elderly for me...
    50? No age at all!

    As they say, it's the New 30. Enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjetil Heggelund View Post
    I talked to my niece on the phone yesterday and one time asked her how old she thought I'll be in 2020...She guessed 45 and laughed her head off when I said 50...And my chin is getting soft and sloppy...Trim for the elderly for me...
    50? You young people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josquin13 View Post
    & my poor brother, who's bigger than me (being an ex-football player), can't even shop at Nordstroms.
    Can't even shop at Nordstroms! That's a crime against humanity!
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    I had to look up fortnight. We never say that in the States.

    Old English fēowertīene niht ‘fourteen nights.’
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josquin13 View Post
    & my poor brother, who's bigger than me (being an ex-football player), can't even shop at Nordstroms. Nothing fits him in the entire store.
    I have the opposite problem. I'm small and slim. I'm a size 44 suit (UK/US 34), but just about every brand only does a 48 (38) as their smallest size. So it's not often I find something that will fit me off the rack. Wierdly, though, it's not hard to find pants in my size (29/30-inch waist, 76cm), so I guess all manufacturers think men are extremely small-waisted but have big, broad shoulders.

    Anyway, just adding my gripe to yours. Would be nice if I could afford bespoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    What people today 'know' about hippies and the 1960s is quite funny, and mostly wrong..
    Is there something I'm wrong about? I have proof of what I say. A high school yearbook full of photos of kids with uncut, unstyled, grow-every-which-way hair. Many barbers went out of business in those days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Open Book View Post
    Is there something I'm wrong about? I have proof of what I say. A high school yearbook full of photos of kids with uncut, unstyled, grow-every-which-way hair. Many barbers went out of business in those days.
    Tell us about the 60s. Maybe you do know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Open Book View Post
    Is there something I'm wrong about? I have proof of what I say. A high school yearbook full of photos of kids with uncut, unstyled, grow-every-which-way hair. Many barbers went out of business in those days.
    That may have been true of some geographical areas in the latter 60s with the onset of the ‘hippie’ era, but it wasn’t everywhere so there are also high school yearbooks from that period with photos of kids with neatly cut and/or styled hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Open Book View Post
    Makeup, styled hair, and supportive undergarments almost disappeared in the 60's but came back with a vengeance. Women tried out the natural look and decided they didn't like it. They want to improve their appearance. Women expend a lot of energy on their looks, men not so much. It is funny how little men's clothing changes, dress shirts for instance.
    I can't speak about America. But you're not right about the 1960s in Britain, as I was a teenager in that era, the only time of my life I've been remotely fashionable, and I had an older sister in her twenties.

    In the UK, long hair came in in the later part of the sixties, but the back combed 'cut in layers' style (Petula Clark) and the bouffant kiss-curled collar-length bob (Cilla Black & Dusty Springfield) remained popular. A lot of girls blonde-dyed their hair too. Even when long hair came in, some girls permed their hair into tight curls.

    We all continued to wear bras - quite a few girls at my school favoured padded bras, to boot. Also, quite a few of my friends wore 'roll-ons', elastic corsets.

    As for make-up - we were not allowed to wear it at school, but otherwise, it was more obvious than in the 1950s - kohl-lined eyes, pale blue or silver powdered eyeshadow, feathery false eyelashes and/or loadza black mascara, plucked and repencilled brows.

    Make-up was applied to achieve 'the natural look' - for the first time, girls stopped powdering and instead covered their face with skin 'foundation' in various 'healthy' shades of pale tan. We stopped using red lipstick, but kept on with lipstick - applying pale and sometimes shimmering shades of pink and apricot, for the pale and interesting look - not to say downright anaemic.
    I remember my favourite lipstick - called 'Big Scene Mauve' - a bluey-pink with high gloss.

    It was a decade of change, though, as someone has remarked above. The real 'hippies' didn't get going in the UK until the late sixties and early 1970s. Before that, 'dolly birds' were more common.

    I don't think there's ever been an era where women didn't want to improve their looks and where there wasn't a 'fashionable look', to achieve which one had to cheat. Or where men didn't want to look good too.

    For men in 1960s Britain that meant Carnaby Street, collarless Beatles suits, then later on flared trousers, also bouffant bobs with fringes, velvet fabrics, big collars on shirts, narrow ties, and then the opposite, kipper ties. Or if you were a man who didn't like the 'mod' look, you could cling to leather jackets, drainpipe trousers, brycreemed hair, winklepicker shoes, and be a 'rocker' instead, fighting your oppos on Margate seafront.

    As for reasons why women in particular are bothered about how they look - how much is nature, the drive to attract a mate, and how much nurture, the role of women in society and the expectations of men - let's not open that can of worms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    That may have been true of some geographical areas in the latter 60s with the onset of the ‘hippie’ era, but it wasn’t everywhere so there are also high school yearbooks from that period with photos of kids with neatly cut and/or styled hair.
    Yes, people born in the 60s wouldn't have the correct perspective. They would be too young. Now they, and younger folks, read articles and books about the 60s and get a view that is meant to be 'interesting'. Psychedelic music and recreational drugs didn't become prevalent until the 70s. By the mid 70s even Country Music artists were growing their hair long, but they looked out of step.
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