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    Quote Originally Posted by Zofia View Post
    How is the remastering on this would buy for Papa...
    He's lucky to have such a daughter.

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    Thanks for the heads up. Purchased this from BPO on Friday.

    This reminds me of the Furtwangler DG Originals set I purchased from Japan over 20 years ago. It is quite a remarkable set of 10 recordings given the 24-bit remastering. I paid a few hundred bucks to have it shipped from Japan, and I have never seen the set issued since. It is as if the set never existed. A shame too because recordings like the 1952 BPO Brahms 1st and 1953 Beethoven 7th and 8th deserve to be in circulation as singles if not as part of this set.

    Furt Originals 1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    Thanks for the heads up. Purchased this from BPO on Friday.

    This reminds me of the Furtwangler DG Originals set I purchased from Japan over 20 years ago. It is quite a remarkable set of 10 recordings given the 24-bit remastering. I paid a few hundred bucks to have it shipped from Japan, and I have never seen the set issued since. It is as if the set never existed. A shame too because recordings like the 1952 BPO Brahms 1st and 1953 Beethoven 7th and 8th deserve to be in circulation as singles if not as part of this set.

    Furt Originals 1.jpg

    Furt Originals 2.jpg
    This looks amazing. Lucky you!

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    Furtwängler ... that good looking devil.

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    I would be really interested in finding this. Can you list the contents? Thanks.

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    The BP's Furtwangler was just delivered! Sunday, 3:30 PM! They made some kind of arrangement that it would be sent from Naxos, USA in TN.

    Here I go.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    The BP's Furtwangler was just delivered! Sunday, 3:30 PM! They made some kind of arrangement that it would be sent from Naxos, USA in TN.

    Here I go.....
    I am waiting for my copy from Presto Music. Excited to hear your thoughts after you have auditioned.

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    [QUOTE=Brahmsianhorn;1589676]Thanks for the heads up. Purchased this from BPO on Friday.

    This reminds me of the Furtwangler DG Originals set I purchased from Japan over 20 years ago. It is quite a remarkable set of 10 recordings given the 24-bit remastering. I paid a few hundred bucks to have it shipped from Japan, and I have never seen the set issued since. It is as if the set never existed. A shame too because recordings like the 1952 BPO Brahms 1st and 1953 Beethoven 7th and 8th deserve to be in circulation as singles if not as part of this set.

    I wonder if this item on Amazon Japan is the same as what you've got. Different artwork, but it is still in the Originals series. Any ideas? This is the only place I could find anything similar to what you have. I have a couple of the single CDs but not in any kind of an "Originals" configuration.

    https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/...GFNZ3MYU&psc=1

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    Just got a 10% off coupon from the BPO for participating in their Facebook contest (didn't win though). I may have to use it one this box.
    Hours of unrecorded, unpublished and unknown Beethoven works at The Unheard Beethoven

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    Thanks for the heads up. Purchased this from BPO on Friday.

    This reminds me of the Furtwangler DG Originals set I purchased from Japan over 20 years ago. It is quite a remarkable set of 10 recordings given the 24-bit remastering. I paid a few hundred bucks to have it shipped from Japan, and I have never seen the set issued since. It is as if the set never existed. A shame too because recordings like the 1952 BPO Brahms 1st and 1953 Beethoven 7th and 8th deserve to be in circulation as singles if not as part of this set.

    I wonder if this item on Amazon Japan is the same as what you've got. Different artwork, but it is still in the Originals series. Any ideas? This is the only place I could find anything similar to what you have. I have a couple of the single CDs but not in any kind of an "Originals" configuration.

    https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/...GFNZ3MYU&psc=1
    That looks like it! The packaging may be different. That looks like it might be a smaller box with slipcases.
    Last edited by Brahmsianhorn; Feb-25-2019 at 22:37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inthemusiczone View Post

    That looks like it! The packaging may be different. That looks like it might be a smaller box with slipcases.
    How is it that the Japanese were the only ones to release a DG set?


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    Quote Originally Posted by inthemusiczone View Post
    I would be really interested in finding this. Can you list the contents? Thanks.
    I'm rarely at home these days so trying to go off memory:

    1 - Beethoven 5th and Egmont ovt, 5/27/47 (DG did make a separate release of this one)

    2 - Beethoven 7th and 8th, 1953 (fantastic coupling! Was once available in an old release. The 7th reappeared in a DG box)

    3 - Brahms 1st, 1952 (arguably his best version next to the 1951 NDR)

    4 - Brahms 3rd, 1953 & Haydn variations (another outstanding account, my favorite for this symphony)

    5 - Bruckner 4th, 8-22-51 (same as a previous DG issue, but remastered)

    6 - Bruckner 7th, Cairo 1951 (very good performance, I marginally prefer the Rome account on Tahra or Music & Arts)

    7 - Schubert, 8th and Rosamunde overture, Handel, Concerto grosso (I believe 1952 is the date on the symphony, a reference account)

    8 - Schumann, 4th and Manfred overture (legendary account, already available in another DG Originals issue)

    9 - R. Strauss, Don Juan, Metamorphosen

    10 - Wagner, Overtures and preludes (fairly definitive accounts, same as old DG issue except strangely missing the Tannhauser prelude)

    Bonus - Furtwangler in rehearsal and speaking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    I'm rarely at home these days so trying to go off memory:

    1 - Beethoven 5th and Egmont ovt, 5/27/47 (DG did make a separate release of this one)

    2 - Beethoven 7th and 8th, 1953 (fantastic coupling! Was once available in an old release. The 7th reappeared in a DG box)

    3 - Brahms 1st, 1952 (arguably his best version next to the 1951 NDR)

    4 - Brahms 3rd, 1953 & Haydn variations (another outstanding account, my favorite for this symphony)

    5 - Bruckner 4th, 8-22-51 (same as a previous DG issue, but remastered)

    6 - Bruckner 7th, Cairo 1951 (very good performance, I marginally prefer the Rome account on Tahra or Music & Arts)

    7 - Schubert, 8th and Rosamunde overture, Handel, Concerto grosso (I believe 1952 is the date on the symphony, a reference account)

    8 - Schumann, 4th and Manfred overture (legendary account, already available in another DG Originals issue)

    9 - R. Strauss, Don Juan, Metamorphosen

    10 - Wagner, Overtures and preludes (fairly definitive accounts, same as old DG issue except strangely missing the Tannhauser prelude)

    Bonus - Furtwangler in rehearsal and speaking
    Many thanks for this info. I went ahead and ordered from amazon japan. Meanwhile on eBay I saw this japanese complete Furtwangler set going for the tidy sum of $2500!!!!

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Furtwangler....c100290.m3507

    Anyway, between the DG set, the Audite RIAS box I already own (fantastic!) and the new BPO remastered radio wartime radio recordings (on its way), I am going to be in Furtwangler heaven!!!!

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    Does anyone have any idea why the Japanese seem to have an almost exclusive collection of Furtwangler recordings? Did Japanese recording companies have anything to do with the first recordings? Did they acquire the rights/or just acquire them before or during the Second World War? Were they making multiple releases from some master set? Thank you.

    Did some Japanese people become fans of Furtwangler because of contact between the Axes during WWII?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    Does anyone have any idea why the Japanese seem to have an almost exclusive collection of Furtwangler recordings? Did Japanese recording companies have anything to do with the first recordings? Did they acquire the rights/or just acquire them before or during the Second World War? Were they making multiple releases from some master set? Thank you.

    Did some Japanese people become fans of Furtwangler because of contact between the Axes during WWII?
    There are, and always have been, many unique Japanese editions of classical music releases, especially of historic material. Japanese music lovers are serious audiophiles and very serious about classical music. That's why there are so many SACD and other "high-end" CD remasters of labels like DGG originating from Japan. This goes way back to LP days when Japan would produce its own vinyl pressings; the vinyl itself was often superior to what was used in Europe and especially America, but the sources for those pressings were often one or two generations down from the sources used in European pressings. Latterly, dedicated audiophile remasters and repressing like King Super Analogue were mastered from master tapes, and that's why these pressings command such high prices on the used market. I've got quite a few of these myself and they are, indeed, superb. Certain conductors have always been highly regarded in the Japanese market, hence the special editions of Furtwangler and Fricsay, to name just a few. Nowadays there's a whole series of DG releases being put out for the Japanese market of artists like Karajan on HQCD, which is supposedly superior to normal CDs. I've heard some of these and they are very good indeed. The differences are small but telling: the music has less digital glare, and it doesn't fatigue as much; the presentation is more "analogue" in nature. Worth the money? That is in the ears (and wallet) of the listener.

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