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    Extremely busy on my end, but I am now going to resume the Furt WarRadio Recordings. Just an FYI. My 107 (?) disc Furtwangler Legacy Box arrived today I will open it, but I might just inspect the disc and specially clean if necessary.
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    Default “… It is as if Mozartean beauty no longer has a place in this city"

    Quote Originally Posted by inthemusiczone View Post
    And the last movement of Brahms 1, from Furtwangler's last concert before he fled to Switzerland - January 23rd 1945. There is a vivid description of the concert in the accompanying booklet. As the Third Reich collapses the sense of impending doom in the music is palpable. Wow - just wow!
    Wow indeed!

    And the description is particularly moving because it was taken from the diary of an attendant to that January 1945 performance. During the concert the lights of the hall (the Admiralspalast because the Philharmonie was already bombed) went out during Mozart’s 40th Symphony. But for a while the musicians continued to play until Furtwangler finally dropped the baton. After one hour the lights came back on and the audience and orchestra returned to the room but instead of completing the Mozart Symphony Furtwangler just begins with Brahms' First.

    “… It is as if Mozartean beauty, blissfulness itself, no longer has a place in this city.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccar View Post
    Wow indeed!

    And the description is particularly moving because it was taken from the diary of an attendant to that January 1945 performance. During the concert the lights of the hall (the Admiralspalast because the Philharmonie was already bombed) went out during Mozart’s 40th Symphony. But for a while the musicians continued to play until Furtwangler finally dropped the baton. After one hour the lights came back on and the audience and orchestra returned to the room but instead of completing the Mozart Symphony Furtwangler just begins with Brahms' First.

    “… It is as if Mozartean beauty, blissfulness itself, no longer has a place in this city.”
    Well, that would explain why we have only the final movement. What a shame. Could have been maybe the greatest orchestral recording of all time. Even the just last movement is a standing testament to the power of music in the darkest of times.
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    Mine arrived last week. Already relishing it. The Coriolan overture is incredible! Best transfer I have heard, even over the Tahra. I don't think you will find a better Beethoven orchestral recording anywhere.

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    Members of this forum will be interested to know that there will a full review and discussion of this set on BBC Radio 3's Record Review, this Saturday (March 16th), at 9am London time. You can listen live or catch the stream for 4 weeks after broadcast. Here is the program's Home page.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06w2121

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    I still haven't received my copy after a month. I emailed the BPO shop and they said that they had relocated their warehouse and shipments should be going out this week from their fulfillment house in Tennessee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    I still haven't received my copy after a month. I emailed the BPO shop and they said that they had relocated their warehouse and shipments should be going out this week from their fulfillment house in Tennessee.
    This might be to your advantage, BigShot. I received my set extremely quickly from TN, and I immediately listened and ripped all the discs into iTunes and WindowsMediaPlayer. I wasn't going to say anything on here about it but... 2.5 discs have only the Disc title and information in Japanese. This is a minor nuisance to me that I knew that I would eventually take care of, but it is possible that other people in the US complained and demanded replacements, etc.. Yesterday I received a letter from the BP in Germany via DHL asking if I wanted an official receipt or if I had any questions or problems. So there might be complaints and reissues or something.

    I am also a subscriber to the DigitalConcertHall and frequently buy gift tickets, so I might have been sent the release immediately because of my loyalty.

    When you receive them we should compare notes re/ the info on your discs.


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    The printing on the disc itself is in Japanese? I thought they made one set with multiple translations so they could sell the same product in different regions. That is weird. Is the book all in one language?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    The printing on the disc itself is in Japanese? I thought they made one set with multiple translations so they could sell the same product in different regions. That is weird. Is the book all in one language?
    It's not the exterior printing. I'm not sure what the term is exactly, but it's the disc information encoded with the music: when you play a disc in the car and it shows you the track name; or the info that you select or immediately comes up on the screen when you rip a disc. Most of the time iTunes gives you a few options of what you would like the disc to be named in your library. Well, on 2.5 discs you don't have that option--it's all in Japanese along with either all of or some of the track names in Japanese.

    As I said I consider it only a minor nuisance because I can manually enter the info but others might complain.

    And just a very personal thing: There's something about it that reminds how much the Japanese have collaborated with the BP to bring us the DCC and other music technology. In the movie, Karajan: Second Life, one of the former EMI engineers said that Sony should put up a monument for all that HvK did to advocate the CD form. I won't be able to learn to read Japanese but I'll see it every time I play those discs.
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    Ah! That info isn't encoded into the disc. Your computer is getting that info from an online database filled with info from volunteers. When a disc is first released, it doesn't have track info until someone volunteers to type it in. If that is a Japanese person, it's in Japanese. After a few weeks someone will have entered the English tags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    Ah! That info isn't encoded into the disc. Your computer is getting that info from an online database filled with info from volunteers. When a disc is first released, it doesn't have track info until someone volunteers to type it in. If that is a Japanese person, it's in Japanese. After a few weeks someone will have entered the English tags.
    I love this forum. Thank you for this info BigShot! LOL We learn so many interesting things on here. Then, another possibility for you not receiving your Furt set yet is you might not have chosen express shipping or it was first come first serve. I hope the latter is the case because like me there may be many lovers of the BP who have never heard much of Furtwangler and this opens up an entire new world: music history, conducting styles, the remastering of older (or poorly) recordings, and fabulous interpretations of all that wonderful music,etc., etc....
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    Gracenote is the database iTunes uses for this; I think there are others. And yes, if the disc has been entered only by non-English speakers, you may well get unreadable info. That's not the disc producer's fault.

    Still waitiing for my copy as well. I always reenter the data to suit my needs, so it'll be there once I get my set.
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    I just got my set today. Boy! Those Germans like to package stuff. This box weighs a ton. Nicely laid out book, and the sleeves for the discs are all clearly labelled. Much easier to find things than the BPO DVD set I got.

    Where should I start? Today is dedicated to listening.
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    Edit: I spent Saturday afternoon listening to Brahms 4th and Schubert. Very good sound for the era. It has a tiny bit of reverb, but it's still a little dry and flat. I used a 5.1 concert hall DSP on it and it helped a lot. There's absolutely no reason this needed to be on SACD, but I guess that sells the Japanese.

    The performances are incredible. I can't believe how flexible Furtie was with the band. He sculpts each phrase brilliantly and paces with spontaneous precision. This ain't no Toscanini! I'm happy I splurged on this set.
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    It is a beautiful box. I haven't dove in yet, but it's at the top of my list for the coming weeks.
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