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    In complete agreement. This set is amazing on every level, and, frankly, a work of art to look at.

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    Edit: I spent Saturday afternoon listening to Brahms 4th and Schubert. Very good sound for the era. It has a tiny bit of reverb, but it's still a little dry and flat. I used a 5.1 concert hall DSP on it and it helped a lot. There's absolutely no reason this needed to be on SACD, but I guess that sells the Japanese.

    The performances are incredible. I can't believe how flexible Furtie was with the band. He sculpts each phrase brilliantly and paces with spontaneous precision. This ain't no Toscanini! I'm happy I splurged on this set.

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    It's definitely a monument. I don't know where I'm going to store this big honkin' box
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    It's definitely a monument. I don't know where I'm going to store this ... big box
    Buy a pedestal. :-) I am so glad this is the first Furtwangler addition to my collection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    It's definitely a monument. I don't know where I'm going to store this big honkin' box
    Rip it with itunes will do the job?

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    Quite a big step for a German institution, to release wartime recordings straight from the disinfected cultural heart of the Nazi regime. I am not so much into historic recordings to begin with, but this one will never make it to my collection. Just a bit too much of wrong history between the notes.

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    ^^

    That's a pity. Yesterday, I listened to my Pristine Classical copy of the 1942 Beethoven 9 in Ambient Stereo. It's like the remastering made it 15 years younger, and still one if not the best No.9 performance I've ever listened to.

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    I just listen to music. If I demanded that all artists be clean as the driven snow, there wouldn't be much art to appreciate. I'm a grownup. I can listen to Nazi music without being a Nazi myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    I just listen to music. If I demanded that all artists be clean as the driven snow, there wouldn't be much art to appreciate. I'm a grownup. I can listen to Nazi music without being a Nazi myself.
    I think that's fine, and I don't think it's any reflection on your character, but I also respect the idea that extra-musical circumstances can put people off of a performer, or some piece of music. I think that's as legit a reason to not want to listen to a piece of music as any. If music evokes bad feelings in someone due to certain associations, then they shouldn't listen to it. And I'm not in a position to tell anyone what they should or should have bad feelings about.

    I don't think people need to be consistent about this either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
    I think that's fine, and I don't think it's any reflection on your character, but I also respect the idea that extra-musical circumstances can put people off of a performer, or some piece of music. I think that's as legit a reason to not want to listen to a piece of music as any. If music evokes bad feelings in someone due to certain associations, then they shouldn't listen to it. And I'm not in a position to tell anyone what they should or should have bad feelings about.

    I don't think people need to be consistent about this either.
    Where did bigshot imply that he was speaking for anyone but himself?

    Anyone has a right to listen to or not listen to whatever they wish, without having to have a legitimate reason. But maybe don't go around partaking in moral posturing or to criticize a label for releasing music based on one's personal feelings, associations or choices. If you're not going to listen, just don't listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManateeFL View Post
    Where did bigshot imply that he was speaking for anyone but himself?

    Anyone has a right to listen to or not listen to whatever they wish, without having to have a legitimate reason. But maybe don't go around partaking in moral posturing or to criticize a label for releasing music based on one's personal feelings, associations or choices. If you're not going to listen, just don't listen.
    Are you accusing me of moral posturing? That wasn't my intent at all. Nor was I criticizing any label. I was just opining that I thought that it's a perfectly fine reason to avoid listening to music if you think the people who made it are bad people.

    For what it's worth it did seem to me that bigshot may have been condescending a bit when he remarked, "I'm a grown up," which seems to imply that taking other things into account when listening to music, like the Nazi status of the musicians involved, is perhaps behaving like a child. But he can correct me if I'm wrong about that.

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    I look at the histories of a lot of artists, and if I was going to judge their work by their personal character, I'd be missing out on a lot. And when it comes to Furtwangler, are his Nazi era recordings any different than his post war recordings? I let history live in the past and I live my life in the present. I try to do the best myself that I can and I try not to judge others.

    My point with saying "I'm a grownup" is that children tend to see things in black and white. Adults can usually parse context and make their mind up for themselves . Listening to Nazi music doesn't turn one into a Nazi. I don't need to insulate myself from ideas I don't agree with. I can make up my own mind as an adult.

    Like I say... feel free to avoid art made in circumstances you don't agree with, but you're the one losing out. Art is separate from the individuals who make it, or in this case the people who sat in the audience listening to it on the radio.
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    Mine arrived today. What exquisite attention to detail in the packaging. Listening to Brahms No. 4 now. I'm very pleased.

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