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Thread: SS 10.11.18 - Bruckner #00

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    Please be pretentious, for a change, Ken. Or be argumentative or enthusiastic or anything....... Just don't ever be dull (I doubt that's possible for you) . However, don't mention Wagner and Hitler again in the same sentence. Crap, I just did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Smith View Post
    I just recently listened to the Skrowaczeski so I'll relisten to Young's excellent recording.

    I'm going to try to get back into the swing of thing so I'll go with this one as well.
    There's no point being grown-up if you can't be childish sometimes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc View Post
    . Perhaps Bruckner should have called it something else...
    Well, technically, he did call it Symphony No. 1, then he withdrew the number. Personally, I think Double-Aught is a pretty compelling title, at least as far as drawing my curiousity. (I remember before I got into Bruckner wondering how he ended up with a 0 and 00 in his output).

    Anyway, I'm listening to Simone Young; I think her recording has the best sound.
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    I listened to Tintner’s performance twice.

    A bit of background: “Anton Bruckner's Symphony in F minor, WAB 99, was written in 1863, at the end of his study period in form and orchestration by Otto Kitzler.” It was not performed in his lifetime but received a premiere performance in 1924. It was published only in 1973 in an edition by Leopold Nowak.

    Kitzler called the work "not particularly inspired" which seems a fair judgment. But standards for works of that period are very high indeed. I’d place it about on a level with Dvorak’s earlier symphonies, perhaps not as melodic but also “tighter” in formal design and less diffuse.

    There’s not a lot of “Bruckner” to be heard here, though it doesn’t really sound very derivative of other composers either. But Bruckner’s voice can be clearly heard in the somewhat rub-a-dub scherzo. That’s the standout movement.

    The first movement is interesting enough to hold the attention of the listener alert for the usual road markers of the sonata form. The second (slow) movement is pleasant but unmemorable, though it improved for me on the second listen. The finale is probably the least effective movement. The orchestration sounds good and there are no obvious signs of amateurishness. This seems the work of somebody both talented and proficient, if “not particularly inspired,” as Kitzler has it.

    Overall, I enjoyed this but am unlikely to reach for it again soon. Most of the Bruckner cycles I have don’t include it, which must mean something…
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    A question: In the last few cycles, I’ve taken to posting “mini reviews” of the Saturday Symphonies. Most symphonies I’ve not been familiar with and have been very interested to hear, and wanted to share my impressions.

    But most people don’t do this. Is it a welcome thing? Or is it just pretentious and unwelcome? Please let me know!
    Impressions, discussions have always been welcome. I use to write some years ago before I took over the SS duty. I was considering doing it again more recently but I barely have enough time to get online and make the post itself these days

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    Interesting that you should say that, Ken, but I ended up listening to the "pre-Bruckner" Symphonies in chronological order, this one, 1, 0, 2, Inbal's recordings btw. I found the progression quite surprising, in that there was very little stylistic chasm between this and No.1. Sure, it's not a towering masterpiece, but it's more Brucknerian than people - myself included - give it credit. I'd say especially in the opening movement as much as the Scherzo.

    Yeah, it's not included in a lot of older cycles, but in recent years, with the interest/obsession with completeness we now have, it is becoming more commonplace. Inbal, Tintner, Skrowaczewski, Young And Schaller all included it, and in addition there are quite a few earlier cycles which put Die Nullte in without apology. Perhaps, as with Dvořák in the 1950s, it's time for a Bruckner renumbering exercise???

    That suggestion will go down like the proverbial tonne of bricks........ especially as for me the "real" Bruckner starts with No.3!!!!! And no mention of versions and editions.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by realdealblues View Post
    Apparently I missed posting again last week when I was sure I did .
    Thanks to cougarjuno for stepping in during my absence.

    Well, I won't miss this week! This weekend it's Anton Bruckner's Study Symphony in F minor also often referred to as #00. While not as grand as his mature symphonies I still enjoy this one. I hope others can give it a listen this weekend.

    I'll be listening to this one on CD but I'll post a YouTube link as well as there are only a couple of recordings of this one:

    Stanislaw Skrowaczewski/Saarbrucken Radio Symphony Orchestra

    I’m late to the party but I’ll also go with this recording too. I’ve had this version for a while but I have not listened to it yet. Time to remedy it.

    The mature Symphonies get the most praise but I’ve always enjoyed the first three too. I haven’t heard this work as frequently but I do remember enjoying it. Time to don the headphones and listen.
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    I'll listen to the Skrowaczewski version on You Tube

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