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    Default I feel bad because I don't love ______________ more.

    This thread is inspired by seattleoperafan's thread about feeling bad for not loving Maria Callas more. This time, you choose the singer. Maybe you will find out why you don't like the singer, or maybe you will find that you actually do like the singer, or maybe you just can't hold in your opinion anymore. I may perhaps have some ideas of whom to post, but I am worried. So I will wait to see what you all post.
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    This is going to be a blood bath.
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    I dont feel bad for not caring one way or the other about maria whats her name.

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    I don't feel bad if I don't 'love' any performer any more. I am the consumer and I pay for what I watch and listen to. So why should I pay for someone I don't like? I couldn't care less who it is.
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    There are some famous singers whom I don't like for some reason, even if I can appreciate they are good singers and some whose standing I can't understand at all.

    Either way, I don't much like these negative threads which encourage people to criticise and even villify performers whom others might feel really strongly about. I don't think it serves any purpose. I felt the same about the "I feel bad because I don't like Callas more" thread and vowed not to contribute but somehow got drawn in against my better judgement. I hope that doesn't happen here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I don't feel bad if I don't 'love' any performer any more. I am the consumer and I pay for what I watch and listen to. So why should I pay for someone I don't like? I couldn't care less who it is.
    But what if they sell houses out around the world and various (qualified) musicians say they are wonderful?

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    I think this is an interesting thread as it acknowledges that there are some singers that we recognise as being great singers, but there is something about their voices that personally turns us off. For me it's Nilsson and Flagstad that I wish I liked more. Whilst their voices were exceptional their nordic diction sounds as if they aren't singing on the vowel to my ear. It's as if they are singing falsetto and I am missing darker tones as part of mix of sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    But what if they sell houses out around the world and various (qualified) musicians say they are wonderful?

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    Well, I don’t have to go do I? Maybe you feel obliged to go but I don’t! I mean,when that Adams opera was selling out at the Met I didn’t feel obliged to go as I can’t stand his music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Well, I don’t have to go do I? Maybe you feel obliged to go but I don’t! I mean,when that Adams opera was selling out at the Met I didn’t feel obliged to go as I can’t stand his music.
    No, I don't feel obliged to go. However, I do give credit where credit is due and if I find the majority of people like a singer that I don't, I don't insist that I am right and those other people are wrong. Furthermore I wouldn't seek out a review from a sole critic that agrees with me about that singer and then use it as some sort of proof that I must be right. And even furthermore I wouldn't also use the fact that singers I like are popular to be proof that I am somehow 'right' to like them when it suits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    No, I don't feel obliged to go. However, I do give credit where credit is due and if I find the majority of people like a singer that I don't, I don't insist that I am right and those other people are wrong. Furthermore I wouldn't seek out a review from a sole critic that agrees with me about that singer and then use it as some sort of proof that I must be right. And even furthermore I wouldn't also use the fact that singers I like are popular to be proof that I am somehow 'right' to like them when it suits.

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    I don't insist these people are wrong either. I've just been listening to Ades opera 'The Tempest' which had rave reviews and sadly I don't like the music in spite of the brilliant staging. I'm not saying other folks are wrong - just it is not my cup of tea. I actually feel disappointed I don't like it but there it is. Your problem is that you are now doing the very thing you are accusing me of doing and saying I am wrong not to like certain works or singers.
    I would like to know when I have sought out a 'sole' review to prove a point? I may have quoted a review but they were not 'sole' reviews. There were others I could have quoted. I'm just doing the opposite now and you're saying I'm still wrong. You are the one who is now trying to score points not me. Just give it a rest, mate, and enjoy the music instead of trying to score points. Would it make you feel better if I give you 10/10?.
    All the point I'm making is that I don't have to feel bad because I don't like someone as a performer or someone's music as I'm the consumer. If you think I should then give reasons. That is the point we're discussing. I'd appreciate it if you could stick to that point rather than going off at tangents.
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    I feel bad because I don't love _______Opera_______ more.
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    I feel bad because I have 8 arias sets of Cecilia Bartoli and have been forcing myself to listen to them. Am about half way through and hoping I don't puke before I am done.

    Anybody want them? I can make a good offer.
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    Don't care for Kirsten Flagstad. Find her too stately. And as for her effortless intonation, IMO with Wagner I enjoy the prospect of singers being pushed to their limits, and pushing beyond. It should sound like a struggle, not effortless. To that end I will always prefer singers like Max Lorenz and Gwyneth Jones who go all-out rather than people like Flagstad and Melchior who "keep some in reserve".

    As far as composers are concerned I feel also like I should like Verdi more, but he is my least favorite of the Italians. I prefer Bellini, Donizetti, Rossini, Puccini, Monteverdi, all the ones I have heard so far I see the "spark" that makes each one of them special. For me and Verdi, there is no spark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    I feel bad because I have 8 arias sets of Cecilia Bartoli and have been forcing myself to listen to them. Am about half way through and hoping I don't puke before I am done.

    Anybody want them? I can make a good offer.
    Nah, be happy to keep them... Some day you will sell them at a great price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerx View Post

    This is going to be a blood bath.

    Who's going to start the actual blood bath?

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