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    Quote Originally Posted by rbacce View Post
    The Eroica is my favorite Beethoven composition. I'm planning one day to buy/download the whole orchestral sheet and analyze it.
    I think they have it on CD-ROM where you can listen and watch the score go by on the video at the same time.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    My favorite Beethoven symphony, though in general not especially one of my favorite composers. In no particular order, I prefer Cluytens/Berlin Philharmonic, Munch/Boston Symphony, Szell/Cleveland Orchestra and Bohm/Vienna Philharmonic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbacce View Post
    The Eroica is my favorite Beethoven composition. I'm planning one day to buy/download the whole orchestral sheet and analyze it.
    I think it really repays score analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbacce View Post
    The Eroica is my favorite Beethoven composition. I'm planning one day to buy/download the whole orchestral sheet and analyze it.
    https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.3...2C_Ludwig_van)

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    Recently a British magazine (Gramophone or BBC Music - don't remember which) surveyed top conductors about what is the GREATEST symphony ever written and they voted for the Eroica. But when you look at concert programs, especially in the US, it's actually not played all that often. Beethoven's 5, 7 & 9 are more common. The 3rd is really difficult to play and gives less than professional orchestras a real challenge. Even Karajan had trouble with the two opening chords - they're not always exactly together in at least one of his recordings.

    My beef with most recordings is that the conductors take it so seriously and try to play it like Mahler or Wagner. I heard Neeme Jarvi do it live in Detroit years ago and what he found in the score, and brought out brilliantly, was the humor! Finale was so well done that at times the audience actually chuckled. That's Beethoven! The funeral march was solemn, but not a dirge - it moved along and didn't seem too long like it can with some much more venerated conductors. I would love to have a recording of that performance. His son, Paavo, did a brilliant job of it in Berlin and that recording on RCA is available. Another recording that I would never give up is a very old Reader's Digest one with Rene Leibowitz and the Royal Philharmonic. No one, ever, has gotten the coda of the finale so brilliantly right! The accents are all in place at the fast tempo he takes. Thrilling.

    Then there's a chamber version that some critics have not been kind to, but I find it quite beautiful and well worth a listen:
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    Yes, I thought they had it on IMSLP, I'm just not doing the analysis right now because I'm involved in another project. But as soon as I end my Masters I'll download this score and go for it. Thank you.

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    I don't know if it is my favourite Beethoven symphony - it could be - but it is one work where you need to consider some context. It represents a huge leap into what we now call the Romantic - and for that it must surely be seen as especially great. I doubt there has ever been such a jump in the whole history of music, has there?

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    This is a very enjoyable - if somewhat fanciful - movie. You have, for example, to assume that the orchestra could sight read Beethoven's revolutionary and difficult work at sight. However, with a few suspensions of disbelief, this is a great movie, with a terrific portrayal of what Beethoven might have been like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    This is a very enjoyable - if somewhat fanciful - movie. You have, for example, to assume that the orchestra could sight read Beethoven's revolutionary and difficult work at sight. However, with a few suspensions of disbelief, this is a great movie, with a terrific portrayal of what Beethoven might have been like.
    Hey, that’s the Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique. Really. They can sight-read anything!

    I thought the scenes with Haydn were great, although totally imaginary. People on this forum have quoted Haydn’s “Everything is different from today,” thinking he actually said it.


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    Watch this movie and it will all make sense:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtA7m3viB70

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Hey, that’s the Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique. Really. They can sight-read anything!

    I thought the scenes with Haydn were great, although totally imaginary. People on this forum have quoted Haydn’s “Everything is different from today,” thinking he actually said it.
    The other fanciful Haydn quote is his lamenting the death of his late wife -- when by all accounts his marriage was dreadful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkW View Post
    The other fanciful Haydn quote is his lamenting the death of his late wife -- when by all accounts his marriage was dreadful.
    Yes indeed! Although Haydn evidently found the joys of female acquaintance elsewhere. BTW there's no evidence I've been able to find that Haydn ever heard the Eroica at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Yes indeed! Although Haydn evidently found the joys of female acquaintance elsewhere. BTW there's no evidence I've been able to find that Haydn ever heard the Eroica at all.
    I didn't think so. Although I hunted around after seeing the film to see if there were any basis for the quote at all. (I still love Norrington's performance however.)

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