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Thread: Beethoven: Symphony #3 "Eroica" ("Heroic") in E-flat, op. 55

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    This thread moved me to revisit Honeck’s Eroica. Yes, that’s my kind of performance!

    It shows how much my preferences in this music have changed over the years. Now I want a crisp and precision performance with lots of drive and energy – Honeck, Gardiner, even Liebowitz from back in the 60s. The older-style performances, even from the greatest conductors of yesteryear, sound ungainly by comparison, a bit vague with smeared attacks and sadly lacking the dash and “brio” that I want from this music.
    Interestingly, of all the symphonies I find the Eroica definitely benefits most from a pared-down performance with plenty of drive. Immerseel, Lan Shui, Haselbock, Krivine, Savall and Weill all get a lot out of the Eroica without it needing to be like a lumpy, old semolina pudding.

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    like art rock said the eroica was certainly the best symphony in the early 19 th century and it was also a symphony that was immensely innovative; so it clearly belongs to the best up to now; we might prefer mahler or shostakovich; listening to the beethoven cycles by karajan, vänskä, p.järvi and my beloved versions by honeck i realized that the structure of Beethoven's symphonies is not so elaborate; it is based on very strong foundations but does not have the change in moods that we find in mahler of shosta, because the structure is a bit rigid; it is not a criticism but just an observation; it is also probaby linked to changes in lifestyle and the historical events that mahler and shosta went thru; like merl i want to draw your attention to jos van immerseel's versions on period instruments of beethoven's symphonies with his ensemble Anima Eterna; they shed a different light on beethoven's music

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    Of Karajan's four recorded studio versions, the 77 one os of interest for the fast speed of the first movement which actually gets quite close to Beethoven's open impossible metronome mark

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    As I mentioned on the Tennstedt Mahler thread there's also a really good live account by Tennstedt with the NDR. Lovely performance and definitely Tennstedt's best ever Beethoven recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    The ‘39 Toscanini is astounding. Only the last bit of gravitas is missing from the funeral march. The best overall interpretation remains ‘44 Furtwängler, so I wholeheartedly agree with Trout there.
    Good news for fans of 39 Toscanini set, Andrew Rose of Pristine XR now has access to a new source the original acetate transcription discs of radio broadcasts which he thinks have not been played since recorded so they are in "pristine" condition, the sound quality is now quite amazing......high quality sound sample linked below

    https://www.pristineclassical.com/co...oducts/pasc552





    Agree with earlier post about Jordi Savall, goes completely outside his normal baroque range of work to produce an exciting take on B3, you can hear new colors, clarified textures and slightly different emphasis taken at swift tempo that overall work wonderfully and at the same time are a refreshing change of pace, of the period instrument/HIP versions this is best so far

    I dismissed this when first released as just hype but eventually gave it a listen, now I love it.....
    (also as I recall it was hideously expensive)

    Last edited by DarkAngel; Feb-24-2019 at 15:28.

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