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    Quote Originally Posted by luchesi View Post

    how would our lives and our history be different today if jfk wasn't killed that day? I shudder to think...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Room2201974 View Post
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    Thank you. Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    As simple as that. What about Richard Nixon? and then Ford and Carter? Reagan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    As simple as that. What about Richard Nixon? and then Ford and Carter? Reagan
    After Johnson sent in thousands of US ground troops, the situation became such a complicated and controversial mess, with mounting and horrific losses on both sides, that it took two more presidents and 11 more years for the US to extricate itself from what was essentially a civil war between North and South Vietnam. JFK felt that it was up to the South Vietnamese to win the war—being willing to support them militarily—after seeing what had happened to the French troops in Vietnam who were defeated in 1954. There is ample documentation that he didn't want the US ground troops to suffer the same fate. Wise man! (He was also intuitive enough not to permit the US Joint Chief of Staff to bomb Cuba when it had tactical nuclear weapons supplied by the Soviet Union that the US didn't know about. The bombing could have been catastrophic for the world.)

    Although Nixon did continue to decrease American troop strength in South Vietnam, the fighting continued. ... Under the provisions of the Accords related to Vietnam, U.S. forces were completely withdrawn. Unfortunately, this did not end the war for the Vietnamese and the fighting continued until April 1975 when Saigon fell to the communists during the Ford Administration. Carter didn't step into the presidency until Jan. 20, 1977, almost two years after the war had been officially declared over. Had JFK survived his assassination attempt, the outcome of the war might have been dramatically different and the war ended sooner. But he wasn't given the chance.

    There was also the Intra-Administration war over Vietnam between Kennedy and the CIA on the front page of the New York Times in Oct. '63—only a month before his assassination. The CIA didn't like him or his policies and were viewed by some as a "malignancy" within the gov't:

    http://www.jfklancer.com/Krock.html

    "At Kennedy's death, there were 16,000 American military personnel stationed in Vietnam supporting South Vietnam in the war against North Vietnam. Vietnam had been partitioned at the 1954 Geneva Conference into two countries, with North Vietnam led by a Communist government. Johnson subscribed to the Domino Theory in Vietnam and to a containment policy that required America to make a serious effort to stop all Communist expansion. On taking office, Johnson immediately reversed Kennedy's order to withdraw 1,000 military personnel by the end of 1963. In late summer 1964, Johnson seriously questioned the value of staying in Vietnam but, after meeting with Secretary of State Dean Rusk and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Maxwell D. Taylor, declared his readiness "to do more when we had a base" or when Saigon was politically more stable. He expanded the numbers and roles of the American military following the Gulf of Tonkin Incident."

    Clearly there was a dramatic difference in the Vietnam war policies between Kennedy and Johnson, not to mention, Nixon and Ford.

    It's the citizens of their own country who are supposed to know something about the importance of their own history.

    Popular with US troops in South Vietnam...

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    As reported by the BBC, Nixon colluded secretly with the South Vietnamese to reject an American-engineered settlement of the Vietnam war -- the BBC is not afraid to call it treason. This was to give him the advantage over Humphrey in the 1968 elections. As a result the war was extended by five years at a cost of 22,000 additional American lives and uncounted Vietnamese lives, and settled in 1973 on about the same terms as available in 1968.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21768668
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    Let's not forget Bush's inaction during the riots in LA following the Rodney King verdict. Documented in LA92.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodrigaj View Post
    Let's not forget Bush's inaction during the riots in LA following the Rodney King verdict. Documented in LA92.
    What else did you expect Bush to do? Federal charges were brought against the officers after they were acquitted on state charges. Two of the officers were found guilty on federal civil rights charges. And Bush had ordered 5000 army troops and officers into LA to assist national guardsmen. I lived in LA County at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    What else did you expect Bush to do? Federal charges were brought against the officers after they were acquitted on state charges. Two of the officers were found guilty on federal civil rights charges. And Bush had ordered 5000 army troops and officers into LA to assist national guardsmen. I lived in LA County at the time.
    Yes that is the official story.

    However, the documentary, LA92, using raw footage, with no editorializing, paints a totally different story.

    Hindsight aides here.

    I encourage people to watch LA92 and decide for themselves.
    "The function of music is to release us from the tyranny of conscious thought", Sir Thomas Beecham.

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