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Thread: Late Mozart vs. Late Schubert

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    This discussion seems to have shifted a bit. Where is the discussion on what the composers did in their last year and comparison.

    what I would like to posit though - the possibility - that had Schubert had the 5 years extra life that Mozart had - he would have advanced more relative to where he was when he was 31 than Mozart did in the last 5 years of his life. This may well be that, as someone already pointed out - Mozart was more complete as a composer at 31 than Schubert - so was composing works equally impressive at 31 as those he composed at 36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    I think my response was taken way out of context. I was originally responding to Edward on that Coda.
    Then excuse me for butting in.

    Sometimes I wonder why I put so much effort into this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    ...This may well be that, as someone already pointed out - Mozart was more complete as a composer at 31 than Schubert - so was composing works equally impressive at 31 as those he composed at 36.
    This suggests that Mozart had peaked and had he lived, there would have been little to look forward to except his inevitable decline.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Then excuse me for butting in.

    Sometimes I wonder why I put so much effort into this forum.
    I think your repy to Phil's views was correct as you are probably as baffled by his statements as I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    This suggests that Mozart had peaked and had he lived, there would have been little to look forward to except his inevitable decline.
    But that's false. I said he was a complete composer when he was 31. Are you saying his next 5 years output was not something we could have looked forward to? Had he lived I assume he would have continued exploring his art and delivering great works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Then excuse me for butting in.

    Sometimes I wonder why I put so much effort into this forum.

    We appreciate all of it. I know that 3 long posts will take up half my day, on and off, or so it seems. I do think about that.. but it's personally constructive and freeing for me.

    At the same time I'm doing many other things, usually working, while thinking about something that might not have been mentioned before. For the most part, some aspect or isolated idea I hadn’t fully formed yet. So I get more out of my posts than others. lol

    I’d like to read a letter that Mozart and Schubert wrote in his last year. I wish I was a native speaker for that..
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    This suggests that Mozart had peaked and had he lived, there would have been little to look forward to except his inevitable decline.
    No, I think Mozart's creations would have only gradually morphed in 5 more years, but then after 15 or 20 years composing more searchingly a la LvB and Schubert's 8th and 9th symphonies. ..From what I hear in those 2 symphonies.

    This is just guessing, and critics don't seem to agree with me about Schubert.. It's an old person like me experiencing the compositions of a thirty-something visionary. But it's fortunate and such a treasure that music can do this, across the lives.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes - but the preservation of fire!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
    Speaking of "parallels", I would like to mention Mozart's 'Fantasies in F minor',
    "As Wolfgang Plath has pointed out, the influence of Mozart's Fantasy in F minor, K. 608 was considerable in the nineteenth century. Aside from the editions, manuscripts, and arrangements already mentioned, many public performances can be documented. Beethoven owned the work and made his own arrangement of the fugue. Schubert's F Minor Fantasy for piano four-hands, op. 103 (D. 940, 1828), suggests his reaction to the whole of Mozart's piece, whereas Franz Lachner's Wind Octet in B flat, op. 156 (1859) demonstrates his reception of the Andante"
    "As already mentioned, the two principal manuscript copies of K. 608 are on four staves; one is in the Staatsbibliothek Preußischer Kulturbesitz, Berlin, the other in the library of the Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde, Vienna. The four-staff version of the work in both manuscripts and in the Neue Mozart-Ausgabe can without further ado be played four-hands,"

    https://www.loc.gov/collections/mold...te-in-f-minor/

    So they are indeed 'parallels' in some ways, as I suggested



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