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    Quote Originally Posted by Trout View Post
    And just a few other changes:

    And the Wolfgang Rihm entry is now complete! ... Two of his operas Die Eroberung von Mexico and Jakob Lenz are pretty impressive ...
    I heard Jacob Lenz in a live concert version and liked it -- very suited to the original play.

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    With Portamento's generous help (yet again!), Conlon Nancarrow's player piano rolls have been added to the list. I am tempted to call his works "Ligetian", but actually Ligeti's (piano) works should be called "Nancarrowan." Regardless, while his studies are each pretty short, they are extremely dense and complex and reward many subsequent listens. I've only read a small fraction of Kyle Gann's analyses, but I have no doubt that the book would enhance my appreciation and admiration.
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    And with that entry complete, I'm planning to take a bit of a break before tackling the next one. When this resumes, the agenda will likely be as follows:

    Romitelli, Fausto
    Rzewski, Frederic
    Saariaho, Kaija
    Sciarrino, Salvatore
    Sculthorpe, Peter
    Silvestrov, Valentin
    Stockhausen, Karlheinz
    Tavener, John
    Vasks, Pēteris
    Wuorinen, Charles
    Xenakis, Iannis
    Young, La Monte


    In the meantime, feel free to let me know if there are any pieces missing, if you want to see any particular works on a higher tier, or any other general feedback. I hope everyone has been finding this as enjoyable and useful as I have!

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    "That's all Folks!"

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    In the interim, I've made a number of promotions with perhaps a few more to follow:

    Babbitt: Semi-Simple Variations (now listed)
    Boulez: Piano Sonata No. 1 (now 3-star)
    Cage: 108 (now listed)
    Cage: A Book of Music (now listed)
    Cage: Dream (now 2-star)
    Cage: Fontana Mix (now 2-star)
    Cage: Four Walls (now listed)
    Cage: Four6 (now listed)
    Cage: Imaginary Landscape No. 4 (now listed)
    Cage: Ryoanji (now 2-star)
    Cage: Suite for Toy Piano (now 2-star)
    Denisov: Chamber Symphony No. 2 (now listed)
    Denisov: Piano Concerto (now listed)
    Denisov: Saxophone Concerto (now 2-star)
    Denisov: Sonata for Saxophone and Cello (now listed)
    Nørgård: Turn (now listed)
    Takemitsu: Gitimalya (now listed)
    Takemitsu: In the Woods (now listed)
    Takemitsu: Marginalia (now listed)

    If I have the time in the coming days, I hope to finish up entries on perhaps the two biggest names missing from the list.
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    So much good work there.
    Liberty for wolves is death to the lambs.

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    Thanks, science.

    I've been meaning to bump this thread to announce that I've finally added entries for Stockhausen and Xenakis. I haven't had much time to listen to their works recently to make a proper post, but they are two composers I admire and need to explore more. And hopefully their inclusions now will lend a bit more credibility to the list.

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    May I suggest you add Kalevi Aho to your to-do list? I've been meaning to explore his output lately, but it's so vast that an entry telling me where to start would be of much use.

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    Contemporary composers with a not so much contemporary language may have a entry here? If yes, I humbly suggest the name of Yoshimatsu.

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    No promises, but Aho should be in the next batch.

    Quote Originally Posted by leonsm View Post
    Contemporary composers with a not so much contemporary language may have a entry here? If yes, I humbly suggest the name of Yoshimatsu.
    I don't disqualify anyone because of style, but I am prioritizing composers that are sui generis and have been at the forefront of significant movements or schools. I'll admit Yoshimatsu has slipped my mind, but I wouldn't discount him. He just may not show up for a while, assuming the longevity of this project.


    And as a side note, a few more promotions:

    Andriessen: Rosa (now listed)
    Nono: "Hay que caminar" soñando (now 2-star)
    Stockhausen: Erwachen (now listed)
    Stockhausen: Freude (now 2-star)
    Stockhausen: Hoffnung (now listed)
    Stockhausen: Natürliche Dauern (now listed)
    Xenakis: Khoaï (now listed)

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    I think this is an interesting and valuable project. I like to know individual's favorite composers/works but also I am curious about what contemporary works are widely regarded as standout. There are not so many guides like this.

    I know almost nothing about Carter's works except for some string quartets, and I will check out some from the list. (Just listened to Variations for Orchestra (***).) There is no star for his works in the 21st century. His late works are not generally regarded as high as his earlier works, or it's too early to assess? I love Cage's number pieces but rarely see discussions about each work. It's interesting that Four, Fourteen, Seven2 and Fifty-Eight got stars.

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    I appreciate the kind words, tortkis.

    Quote Originally Posted by tortkis View Post
    I know almost nothing about Carter's works except for some string quartets, and I will check out some from the list. (Just listened to Variations for Orchestra (***).) There is no star for his works in the 21st century. His late works are not generally regarded as high as his earlier works, or it's too early to assess? I love Cage's number pieces but rarely see discussions about each work. It's interesting that Four, Fourteen, Seven2 and Fifty-Eight got stars.
    I think Carter's late works seem to be the most obscure part of his oeuvre, generally only known to Carter aficionados. I'm not exactly sure as to why this is. Perhaps his high productivity late in life worked against him as none of those works had much space to stand out. His compositional style also changed a bit as he reduced much of the density and length of his prior works and, to my mind, became more accessible. I personally quite like and even prefer some of his late works, especially his Cello Concerto and Horn Concerto.

    Sometimes, sets of pieces like Cage's number pieces tend to garner more recommendations as a whole compared to most of the individual pieces. These are instances when it is incumbent on me to select which works end up where, which is a bit more subjective than usual. In this case, those four Cage pieces are by my counts the most recommended but I don't think I would consider them significantly better/more-liked compared to his other number works. There are also quite a few that I excluded from the list that perhaps quality-wise should be on there, but I had to draw lines somewhere.
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    How close are the following works from making the list?

    - Adams: American Berserk (2001)
    - Adams: Guide to Strange Places (2001)
    - Adams: The Gospel According to the Other Mary (2012)
    - Adams: Scheherazade.2 (2014)
    - Górecki: Symphony No. 4, op. 85 "Tansman Epizody" (2006)
    - Harvey: Messages (2008)
    - Reich: Pulse (2015)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portamento View Post
    - Adams: American Berserk (2001)
    - Adams: Scheherazade.2 (2014)
    These two were close so I can add them, but the others were unfortunately not really on my radar...

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    hello trout,
    your project is tremendous and not surprisingly you make the same choices as mine; it is simply the result of hard work; i totally respect your ethical way of making selections; you are now at a level of about 50 + composers and i confirm you have made the right choices for each of them; i could tell you that i listen to my favourite composer,xenakis, since 1958 and that akrata and echange are worth a zillion stars, but you got it right for all the other entries.
    as a challenge to you and all tc members i send you a list of the +- 200 contemporary composers i cherish most at this point in time;

    Contemporary Classical Composers: Index

    -Argentina : Golijov
    -Armenia : Mansourian
    -Australia : L.Lim*, Sculthorpe, Vine
    -Austria : Cerha*, G.F.Haas*, Larcher, Mitterer, Neuwirth
    -Azerbaijan: Ali-Sadeh
    -Bulgaria : Tabakova
    -Canada : Mozetich, Vivier
    -China: Q.Chen, Y.Chen, Lei Liang, Bright Sheng, Tan Dun, Zhou Long
    -Croatia: M.Ivicevic
    -Czechoslovakia : Kalabis
    -Denmark : Abrahamsen, Gudmundsen-Holmgreen, Norgard*, Ruders
    -England: Ades*, J.Anderson, N.Barrett, R.Barrett, Benjamin, Birtwistle*, Cardew , Clyne, Ferneyhough*, Finnissy *, Goehr , Grange, Harvey , Hesketh, Leighton, Maxwell-Davies, Pickard, Saunders*, R.Simpson, R.Stevenson, J.Tavener, Turnage, Weir
    -Estonia : Eespere, Part, Sumera*, Tormis, Tuur
    -Finland : Aho, Fagerlund , Kokkonen, Lindberg*, Rautavaara*, Saariaho* , Sallinen, Salonen
    -France: André, Bayle, Beffa, Bertrand, Boulez*, Canat de Chizy, Cavanna, Connesson, Dalbavie*, Dhomont, Dufourt, Dusapin*, Escaich, Greif , Grisey, Levinas , Manoury*, Mantovani, Messiaen, Murail*, Pecou , Tanguy
    -Georgia : Kancheli*
    -Germany : Bauckholt*, Henze, Hölszny, Lachenmann, Mundry*, Pintscher, Rihm*, Ruzicka*, Spahlinger, Stockhausen*, Widmann*
    -Greece : Aperghis, Xenakis*
    -Hungary: Eötvös, Kurtag, Ligeti *
    -Iceland: Guonadottir, Ingolfsson, Jonsdottir, Thorvaldsdottir*
    -Israel: Czernowin, Ran
    -Italy: Berio*, Francesconi, Nono*, Scelsi* , Sciarrino
    -Japan : Fujikura, Mochizuki, Nishimura , Takemitsu*
    -Korea : Chin*
    -Latvia : Vasks
    -Lithuania : Narbutaite
    -Mexico : Paredes
    -Netherlands : L.Andriessen, Van der Aa
    -Norway : Buene, Nordheim
    -Poland : Gorecki, Penderecki*, Zubel*
    -Rumania: Radulescu*
    -Russia: Artyomov, Gubaidulina*, Khorkova, Raskatov, Schnittke*, Tishchenko , Ustvolskaya *
    -Scotland: Dillon, Hinton, Knussen, MacMillan*
    -Serbia: Djordjevic
    -Slovakia: Godar*
    -South Africa: Volans
    -Spain: E.Mendoza, Parra, Posadas*,
    -Switzerland: Furrer, Huber
    -Sweden: Hillborg*, Pettersson*, Skog, Tarrodi
    -Ukraine: Desyatnikov, Silvestrov
    -United States: J.Adams , J.L.Adams* , Auerbach , Bates, Cage*, Carter* , Corigliano , G.Crumb, Currier, J.Eastman, Eckardt , Fairouz* , Feldman*, R.Gibson, Glass, Harrison, Hersch, Higdon*, T.Johnson, Kernis, La Monte Young*, D.Lang, Liebermann, A.Lucier, I.Marshall , Matheson, Missy Mazzoli , Monk , Muhly, Oliveros, Perich, Persichetti, Reich*, Reynolds, Riley*, Rzewski, Schwantner, L.Schwendinger, Sharp, Taaffe-Zwilich, A.R.Thomas, Torke, Tower*, Tsontakis, Wolfe*

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