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    I treasure my Kletzki recordings; the Mahler 4th and DLVDE are among the best ever. I need to get his M1. His recordings on Scheherazade and the Beethoven symphonies are brilliant, too. As a composer though...his symphonies are very tough nuts to crack and impossible to love.
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    As I remember when I was learning Mahler in my teens, my first Fourth was from the local library and was quite satisfactory. Unfortunately, in later years all I could remember was that it was an Angel recording from those years when all their records had the same beige burlap jacket with a gold foil label. In recent years a knowledgeable CM friend told me it must have been Kletzki, which I then got the CD of (paired with Das Lied) and it was indeed as I remembered it.
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    Big fan of Kletzki here too. I never dismiss the baritone alternative in DLvdE as dull or monochrome, and Fischer-Dieskau is in wonderful voice, both here and with Bernstein years later.

    His Beethoven on Supraphon is one of the best old cycles out there too!

    In terms of Mahler 4ths, I'm adding both Fischer brothers' recordings to my favourites list. Ivan has slightly better sound, and maybe Adam is a touch straight-laced, but I found his Düsseldorf recording immensely satisfying, and marginally the finer of the two.

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    I admire the Fischer bothers' Mahler very much. In No. 4, Ádám's idiomatic dynamics/tempo changes are more pronouced than Iván's; while Iván's sound (in both Budapest and Amsterdam) is sweeter, more beautiful and has got more fun.

    Um, looks like I need to investigate Kletzki's Beethoven. Thanks for the tip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junkner View Post
    I like this symphony, though it not my favorite Mahler, which is right now the 2ND with Klemperer. For the 4th, I like Szell and Kletzki, though the latter is hard to find on CD, which is what I listen to. I also like Maazel. I have Bernstein and Kubelik in sets which I have not heard yet. I would love find a new or like new copy of the Kletzki on CD. I traded mine long ago, and I have never replaced it.
    For UK, there seem to be some not too expensive on eBay.

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    I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but I reckon its well worth a listen - Erwin Stein's chamber reduction of the symphony for fifteen players and soprano.



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    As Knorf will agree, Gatti's RCO 4th is very good too.

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    listening now to Boulez in Cleveland performing the 4th.....had listened to a number from this particular cycle and always been really impressed...this is no exception!
    'so where are the strong, who are the trusted and where is the harmony, sweet harmony?'
    (Nick Lowe)

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    New finding on YouTube. An In-House recording of an LPO Mahler Symphony No.4 conducted by Klaus Tennstedt. The soprano is the most affected by the kind of recording, but nevertheless it's just as well-recorded as other radio recordings. I think it really beats the quality of the studio recording and I just wish that the BBC had recorded it (I have no hopes because I find nothing on the internet). This should complete my list of Mahler Tennstedt recordings I enjoy. Listened while watching that Italy video.

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    Add me to the list of Kletzki lovers.

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    Abbado/Fleming/BPO.

    Listened to this and thoroughly enjoyed it but the Boulez still remains my 'favourite'.......
    'so where are the strong, who are the trusted and where is the harmony, sweet harmony?'
    (Nick Lowe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
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    Interessting. For me No. 1 and 4 are not very interessting Mahler symphonies. I would play No. 9, 5, 8, 2 and 6 more often.

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    I've listened to three relatively historical recordings of the 4th in the last couple of days - Mengelberg, Barbirolli (BBC) and Kletzki - and found all three to be really rewarding and even to be available in fairly good sound. I must remind myself of some more recent ones - I remember valuing the Boulez and Fisher (both brothers) recordings highly - but am not sure I will find them as basically satisfying.

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    Yes, the Kletzki is superb; relatively straightforward but gorgeously played, especially Dennis Brain on horn in one of his last recordings. However, I still have a strong allegiance to Klemperer’s version with the same orchestra, which seems to be frequently underlooked for some reason. His brisk tempo in the Adagio works perfectly for me, though Schwarzkopf in the finale doesn’t sound in the least like a child. Barbirolli, Kubelik, Mengelberg, and Ivan Fischer are other favorites of mine; but I recently discovered the Abravanel and was amazed. Why is it that these recordings are not often talked about? They sound remarkable for their age, and the playing of the Utah orchestra is surprisingly great, with some especially delightful folksy, twangy woodwinds. Abravanel clearly understands the music and lets it unfold with real character. And Netania Davrath comes the closest to actually sounding like a child that I’ve heard.
    "If we understood the world, we would realize that there is a logic of harmony underlying its manifold apparent dissonances." - Jean Sibelius

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