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    Default My message to the youth, seek light and love before darkness and death in classical?

    See back than ,way back, while a youth i would liken & listen to the uttermost darkest music bleekest in classical only to find out, there nothing wrong whit darkness factor, challenging or interesting from observatory room but dont fall in darkness, fall into the light ,stay into the light starring or having obsession on darkest bleekest, most depressive music, can challenge one sanity under pressure.

    In light you will find harmony and melody richer than darkness laden chaos, not that dissonance and control chaos theory ,atonalism and so on is ugly, there a beauty in darken , bleaken, brutal,, no compromise music i.e ::iron fundry Alexander Mossolov per. se but always listening to dark confrontational music rendered complication in getting into light sacred love music, like per se Missa Papae Marcelli Palestrina.

    Dont get me wrong there is nothing wrong whit darkness, bleekest,, brooding depressivee music of the uttermost but , thus said in small dose , dont stare at an abyss you might fallen into it...and it's hard to climb out of it, sorta speak fellows.Seek light,divine light, holy light, stay in the light more so than darkness and depressive stuff, dont cancel darkness we all need 50%/50% of both , but for this we need to be cautieous , do you see some classical composer as too intense, too dark , too confrontational , no compromise brutal it shredded it's dark,,, but in the end in small dose?

    See classical can be sunny too i.e peer Gynt morning mood per. se, i am no wuss or big sissy only telling you the following factual detail, we are plants we need to be in the light the more the better but we do need rest from light, be aa botanist of your music selection,Satie La Gnossienne is quite sunny too relatively easy to get into and fascinating , not the most original choice but heck there factual exemple.

    Darkness in small dose is charming in heavy dose toxic, or this is me... what about this obsevation, what does it had to do whit religion well listen to satanic non classical music and crypto satanic classical music too mutch and paay the price, but eat more healthy, eat your vedgies young man or woman, this is staying in the light and having a good potent diet for sanity.

    I did a study on people wwho actually listen to depressive, darkk, aggressive music solely and people into sunny , lighty , music.There is sutch a subject here , equilibrium of light and dark music for a healty life.

    Do you agree whit all that as been said, did you ever stop listening too mutch darken stuff , classical and non classical, because you thought it were messing up whit your mind sanity destroyer kind off??

    Seem obvious i'm right here , but some youth wont the badest the darkest whatever whatever,,, like i said darkness in small dose , not poisonous in heavy dose it''S played whit one mind, dont says Deprofundis warn you guys.


    Nowaday i preffered sunny music to darken stuff ,but wont denied i need some sometime.It's like eating potatos chips , the sunny side is tasty the different exotic flavor one has to offer, the darker side is you fatten up whit these.Try too eat less just dont quit them.

    darkness only permitted to exist to show light exist if there were only light we would not be trills would we?

    So many existancials issue here but you get the message try to avoid villl dark and death theme teaching message, listen to light and let's the sun shine in moreso than darkness always, sorry for being very psychological and abstract & practical in a way hope you enjoy my post look i put some fancy colors.

    Last edited by deprofundis; Jan-29-2019 at 09:12. Reason: i'm not a thelemitic crowley-ian im sunny Depronfudis that it folks your heard it all on talk classical
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    I have eye problems colour font is very hard to read. From what I can read I think there is beauty in both light and dark to have one and not the other one is bad for the soul.

    I had to Google for the English so I don’t know this is exact I read the Russian version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deprofundis View Post

    Dont stare at an abyss you might fallen into it...and it's hard to climb out of it, sorta speak fellows.Seek light,divine light, holy light . . . listen to satanic non classical music and crypto satanic classical music too mutch and paay the price, but eat more healthy, eat your vedgies young man or woman, this is staying in the light and having a good potent diet for sanity.

    Try to avoid villl dark and death theme teaching message, listen to light and let's the sun shine in moreso than darkness always,
    Good advice. Young people tend to like dark, moody things, maybe because they're being thrust into a frightening world, and they have little experience and little influence. At least that's how I was when I was young. I didn't realize that back then I was at the peak of my strength, endurance, health, and brainpower. There was enough in me to handle what was thrown at me. And I also found out that no matter how dark it is, the greatest power in the world is love, and that gives hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    Good advice. Young people tend to like dark, moody things, maybe because they're being thrust into a frightening world, and they have little experience and little influence. At least that's how I was when I was young. I didn't realize that back then I was at the peak of my strength, endurance, health, and brainpower. There was enough in me to handle what was thrown at me. And I also found out that no matter how dark it is, the greatest power in the world is love, and that gives hope.
    Beautiful reply thank you; I hope you all stay a full cognitive strength until your last day. I find the opposite my friends all like happy things I like both secret goth girl

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    In a dream I sat at the edge of the abyss , looked in , nothing there . The nothingness is important , yet I only barely imagine why . Ever since then - I feel committed to throw nothing in there .

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    I'm less tolerant now of really dark and depressing music than I was in my younger years. One reason may be that I have years of experience behind me now, some of which includes getting through difficult circumstances. Another reason is that some music can drag me down and put a bit of a break on getting through the daily grind, which is essential for my existence.

    On the flip side, when I do listen to this type of music it can provide a sense of catharsis. It unleashes emotions and welcomes private musings which tend to lie dormant in everyday life, especially socially and at work. That's why I have not completely rejected Shostakovich, who can really plumb the depths.

    Listening to music is part of being in touch with my emotions, but other aspects of life are at least equally important such as spending time with family and friends, getting out and doing things I enjoy, or simply doing nothing.

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    I cannot listen to Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis by Vaughan Williams. It slays me. It's one of my husband's favorite pieces. He finds it uplifting and joyful. I find it deeply dark. I actually must leave the room until it is finished whenever he plays it.

    So. Two opinions.

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    Several years back when I got into opera I was enjoying Rossini's La Cenerentola. It was maybe my third opera and I was only listening to operas with happy endings and nothing dark. I thought to try Massenet's Cendrillon but found it too dark. It gave me a bad feeling and I got rid of it. Perhaps would appreciate it now as I have graduated to some tragic operas, but I don't really find them dark necessarily, not even Puccini's Tosca or Donizetti's Maria Stuarda. They did not give me the bad feeling I got back then from Cendrillon. Perhaps I should try it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zofia View Post
    “The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart...” ~ Solzhenitsyn
    That is a great quote!
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna Strobl View Post
    I cannot listen to Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis by Vaughan Williams. It slays me. It's one of my husband's favorite pieces. He finds it uplifting and joyful. I find it deeply dark. I actually must leave the room until it is finished whenever he plays it.

    So. Two opinions.
    Wow, that is curious. For me is one of the most heavenly music I know.

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    Sorry, but I'm going to disagree with the consensus here.

    Listening to dark music (whether classical or prog), is like a catharsis for me. If i'm in a dark, depressed or sad mood (which I have been a bit more since Nov of 2016), listening to dark music will make me feel better.

    And it seems some of the science bears out my personal findings.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/new-res...g-to-sad-music


    Quote Originally Posted by Sid James View Post
    On the flip side, when I do listen to this type of music it can provide a sense of catharsis. It unleashes emotions and welcomes private musings which tend to lie dormant in everyday life, especially socially and at work.
    Looks like you beat me to the punch.

    You and I have similar feeling on the subject.
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    I enjoy all moods except unbelievably cheerful. I have borderline personality disorder, which basically means that my negative emotions are too intense, hard for me to deal with. I have learned a lot of coping techniques, self-care, stuff like taking a lot of deep breaths, thinking my way out of cycles of anger at myself, and just accepting sadness. Excessively cheerful music makes me angry, but really angry or dark music relieves me. To me, there is more light in Shostakovich than in Tchaikovsky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by science View Post
    I enjoy all moods except unbelievably cheerful. I have borderline personality disorder, which basically means that my negative emotions are too intense, hard for me to deal with. I have learned a lot of coping techniques, self-care, stuff like taking a lot of deep breaths, thinking my way out of cycles of anger at myself, and just accepting sadness. Excessively cheerful music makes me angry, but really angry or dark music relieves me. To me, there is more light in Shostakovich than in Tchaikovsky.
    Interesting. I tend to veer towards what many would call dark music myself, though a soaring Romantic melody every once in a while does not go amiss. 20th-century classical music was the first that I ever listened to; in some ways, I feel going 'backwards' was worth it (although I may be biased).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Moon View Post
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    Looks like you beat me to the punch.

    You and I have similar feeling on the subject.
    True, although I think it’s commonsense that all listeners bring their own feelings to the music. It can happen in conscious or unconscious ways. Music can be our private way of coming to terms with our emotions. Its such an important outlet where societal norms more often than not dictate that it’s better for us to suppress them.

    My thinking about music has been influenced by the ideas of John Cage, who looked at the role emotion plays but from another angle. He criticised what he called ego music - music created by others which fills our minds and blocks us off from our own immediate reality, connections to our environment and potential creativity.

    Studies have borne out some of the things Cage said. I only enjoy a couple of his pieces - one of them, In A Landscape could be used to accompany meditation - but his ideas have begun to impact on me years after I read them.

    I’m interested in how silence, doing nothing and meditation can relieve stresses and ultimately connect me with my inner self. It actually breaks that need for catharsis because you manage your emotions before getting to that point. That’s the theory, but it will take practise for me to begin to implement this in reality.

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