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    Quote Originally Posted by senza sordino View Post
    What do people think of subwoofers? Are they worth the expense? Do they add to the listening experience? Do they make a difference? Are they a problem when living in an apartment? Will there be more oomphf when listening to Saint Saens Organ Symphony?

    I live on the ground floor. And my listening room is separated from my neighbours by my master bedroom and my second bedroom.
    They all give you more bass, but sometimes, often, it’s a thump and a thud and not right for classical music. The best I’ve heard have been passive dipole subs, and two of them.

    You may be better off changing speakers, getting speakers with better bass extension, rather than adding a subwoofer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamus View Post
    Which speakers? How to decide when standing in front of a row of boxes.
    To reduce the risk of buying something you don’t like, you need to take the equipment home and listen for a while. This is the case wherever you buy, second hand store or dealer. Hi fi is holistic, it’s the system as a whole which makes the sound, and how any individual component behaves changes from system to system and room to room.

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    I'm still dithering and deciding. And I've a little bit of paralysis by analysis. I went to my local hifi shop yesterday. They have a pair of B&W 606 speakers. The salesman said he'd sell it to me for $900, regular $1000. I taught his two children, he's giving me a teacher special, which essentially saves the taxes. These are good speakers. Also they'd sell me the NAD intergrated amp 326BEE for $700, and then throw in the cables for free. I don't know, it's quite expensive. But I know it'll sound better than what I have, which isn't bad.

    On sale at another shop Klipsch RP160M $450.

    Both are good speakers to be sure. Perhaps I'll keep dithering for a while longer.

    In the local high end hifi shop they do have a pair of B&W Nautilus speakers on sale for a year's salary of mine. I think that's a bit beyond my budget.
    Check out these bad boys:




    I think they look cool, but they'd look ridiculous in my small apartment. And I'm not serious, I'd never buy these.

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    Stuff like that is sucker bait for men with inadequacy issues. If you buy from Amazon and open the boxes carefully, you can pack them back up neatly and send them back for a full refund if you don't like them. Amazon's prices are generally MUCH better than retail shops. However if you are hiring a home theater tech to do the installation, they can often get you a better deal because they can purchase it for you with a trade discount and give you an overall deal with installation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senza sordino View Post
    I'm still dithering and deciding. And I've a little bit of paralysis by analysis. I went to my local hifi shop yesterday. They have a pair of B&W 606 speakers. The salesman said he'd sell it to me for $900, regular $1000. I taught his two children, he's giving me a teacher special, which essentially saves the taxes. These are good speakers. Also they'd sell me the NAD intergrated amp 326BEE for $700, and then throw in the cables for free. I don't know, it's quite expensive. But I know it'll sound better than what I have, which isn't bad.
    Very nice stuff there Senza. Expensive? Not bad, not really. This is good quality stuff you'll be happy with. Now, what about a CD player?
    I love music. I want music. I need music.

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    I've read a lot over the past few months, listened to you guys, read a couple of magazines, watched some YouTube videos. It's been quite a learning experience. I really didn't know much about hifi before last fall. So when I went to that shop last Saturday I had some knowledge, I could mention some makes and models of equipment. I first went three years ago without any knowledge, and that's when the salesmen recognized me.

    I'm still dithering.

    In the meantime let me show you something I'm considering. I'm sure my upstairs neighbours won't mind if I punch a hole in my ceiling / their floor to make these fit. Actually these cost as much as my apartment.


    California Audio Technology MBX speakers, about ten years salary for me. Seriously? Can these speakers be that good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza sordino View Post
    First impression. Suitable for a house?—perhaps. For an apartment?—I wouldn’t think so. How would anyone get the full measure of value out of them in an apartment where one might have to keep the volume down? No mention was made of what would be driving them and I think that would be just as important as the speakers unless one belongs to the “all digital amplifiers sound the same and have no signature sound“ school of electronics. Looks like a phallic symbol of momentous proportions to scare off or attract the ladies?
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    Those would be good speakers to play test records with recordings of steam locomotives. I hope the speaker on the very top lights up.

    By the way, from a technical point of view, the bass must be pretty damn sloppy with what looks like 24 inch woofers. It would be better to use a pair of 12s or 15s, but I guess that would ruin the Thomas the Tank Engine aesthetic.
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    I'm here in holiday in the USA. I looked at the Crutchfield USA website and Amazon USA and the first thing I noticed was not the price, which is sometimes similar when you take into account the exchange rate, it was the choice of products. So much more to choose from here in the United States. I'm not going to purchase anything while here, but I was amazed at the choice. For example, there are only about six different speaker manufacturers available on the Crutchfield Canada website but well over a dozen on the Crutchfield USA website.

    More choice often brings down the price. Not always but often. More choice of cell phone service providers and it's cheaper. More clothing and cheaper.

    In Canada, I don't even know where to buy Elac or KEF speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza sordino View Post
    I'm here in holiday in the USA. I looked at the Crutchfield USA website and Amazon USA and the first thing I noticed was not the price, which is sometimes similar when you take into account the exchange rate, it was the choice of products. So much more to choose from here in the United States. I'm not going to purchase anything while here, but I was amazed at the choice. For example, there are only about six different speaker manufacturers available on the Crutchfield Canada website but well over a dozen on the Crutchfield USA website.

    More choice often brings down the price. Not always but often. More choice of cell phone service providers and it's cheaper. More clothing and cheaper.

    In Canada, I don't even know where to buy Elac or KEF speakers.
    I didn’t realize that you were Canadian. There are some great Canadian speaker manufacturers— Paradigm, Totem, PSB come mind immediately—have checked them out? I imagine they must be cheaper there than we have to pay...

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza sordino View Post
    I'm here in holiday in the USA. I looked at the Crutchfield USA website and Amazon USA and the first thing I noticed was not the price, which is sometimes similar when you take into account the exchange rate, it was the choice of products. So much more to choose from here in the United States. I'm not going to purchase anything while here, but I was amazed at the choice. For example, there are only about six different speaker manufacturers available on the Crutchfield Canada website but well over a dozen on the Crutchfield USA website.

    More choice often brings down the price. Not always but often. More choice of cell phone service providers and it's cheaper. More clothing and cheaper.

    In Canada, I don't even know where to buy Elac or KEF speakers.
    Here’s KEF speakers in Canada:
    https://ca.kef.com
    It’s possible to find Canadian dealers from here.
    Best wishes and happy hunting.

    ELAC speakers in Canada:
    https://www.elac.com/dealer/canada/

    I have bought items from Crutchfield and the choices and customer service (such as returning items) was terrific.
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    I haven’t auditioned speakers much in the last 15 years or so. Back then I bought my current B&W 803D for my 2 channel system after about a 2 year search. I also have 2 surround systems in my home that have more mid Fi gear. In one of them the fronts are actually the former rears, Silverline Menuettos, and I added Paradigm in walls to replace the rears. I was sorry I did that because there is a sonic mismatch between the Paradigm and the Silverline. I was in a store buying a AVR and auditioned their Paradigm monitors, thinking to replace the Silverline, but decided it wasn’t worth it. We use that surround system for video most of the time anyway and the mismatch only can be appreciated during extended music listening.
    At any rate, Paradigm impresses me as a real value company, with very good gear at real world prices, and Canadian to boot. I strongly recommend giving them a trial.

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    If you're handy with an equalizer, you can tone match different brands of speakers to work well with each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triplets View Post
    I haven’t auditioned speakers much in the last 15 years or so. Back then I bought my current B&W 803D for my 2 channel system after about a 2 year search. I also have 2 surround systems in my home that have more mid Fi gear. In one of them the fronts are actually the former rears, Silverline Menuettos, and I added Paradigm in walls to replace the rears. I was sorry I did that because there is a sonic mismatch between the Paradigm and the Silverline. I was in a store buying a AVR and auditioned their Paradigm monitors, thinking to replace the Silverline, but decided it wasn’t worth it. We use that surround system for video most of the time anyway and the mismatch only can be appreciated during extended music listening.
    At any rate, Paradigm impresses me as a real value company, with very good gear at real world prices, and Canadian to boot. I strongly recommend giving them a trial.
    Almost three years ago I was shopping for a new 5.1 set up, and after many trips to out of state audio stores, I settled in on Paradigm Prestige speakers. At their price point, they presented the best overall experience I could find. Worth a listen!
    I love music. I want music. I need music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    If you're handy with an equalizer, you can tone match different brands of speakers to work well with each other.
    I haven’t had an equalizer since the eighties, when I picked one up cheap in an AV store resale pile and messed around with it for a while. Basically I screwed up everything and finally removed it. OTOH, I recently had a Anthem AVR I staled in the system in question, and watching the install guy do the room correction stuff was fascinating. I haven’t noticed the mismatch stuff recently.

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