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    Mozart and Haydn were practicing Catholics; what about Chopin and Beethoven? Chopin was Polish after all...and Vivaldi? The Church indorsed many forms of art, so could you point out some more?
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    Liszt, Messiaen, Penderecki

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds Weep Snowflakes View Post
    Mozart and Haydn were practicing Catholics; what about Chopin and Beethoven? Chopin was Polish after all...and Vivaldi? The Church indorsed many forms of art, so could you point out some more?
    That headpiece in your avatar is stunning!!! Thank you for sharing.

    Of course add all those monks and nuns who sang all that pleinchant. Dvorak--gorgeous, emotional sacred music. It would seem that Dvorak's music apart from the symphonies is over-looked too much. Check it out. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    That headpiece in your avatar is stunning!!! Thank you for sharing.

    Of course add all those monks and nuns who sang all that pleinchant. Dvorak--gorgeous, emotional sacred music. It would seem that Dvorak's music apart from the symphonies is over-looked too much. Check it out. :-)
    That type of crown is called a diadem, and the term is used in the Apocalypse of St. John, the last book of the Bible; Google that.
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    Elgar was a nominal Catholic. James MacMillan is one of the moderns. Don't forget Byrd, Tallis and Peter Phillips.
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    Technically, Mahler converted to Catholicism in 1897, as a Jew was not allowed to become Chief of the Wiener Staatsoper

    BTW, his wife Alma turned out to be a fanatic anti-Semite.

    Maybe this is not quite the example you are looking for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds Weep Snowflakes View Post
    Mozart and Haydn were practicing Catholics; what about Chopin and Beethoven? Chopin was Polish after all...and Vivaldi? The Church indorsed many forms of art, so could you point out some more?
    Beethoven was a non-practising Catholic but he certainly believed the text of the Missa Solemnis

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLAdriaan View Post
    Technically, Mahler converted to Catholicism in 1897, as a Jew was not allowed to become Chief of the Wiener Staatsoper

    BTW, his wife Alma turned out to be a fanatic anti-Semite.

    Maybe this is not quite the example you are looking for...
    It is pretty certain that Mahler's 'conversion' was one of convenience. Throughout his life his was agnostic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    It is pretty certain that Mahler's 'conversion' was one of convenience. Throughout his life his was agnostic.
    I seriously doubt that Gustav Mahler was an "agnostic" or "atheist" throughout his life, though he of course was tested and sometimes had his doubts. But as a presumed "agnostic" he writes his Ressurection Symphony? Who does that? The idea of resurrection is spiritual or religious in nature whether he was a practicing Jew, Christian, or not. When Mahler participated in a performance of Symphony No. 2 by Ernst von Schuch in Dresden, he further filled out his religious vision at that time in the program notes:

    “Softly there rings out a chorus of the holy and the heavenly. ‘Risen again, yea thou shalt be risen again!’ There appears the glory of God! A wonderful gentle light permeates us to our very heart – all is quiet and blissful! – And behold there is no judgement. – There is no sinner, no righteous man – no great and no small—There is no punishment and no reward! An almighty feeling of love illumines us with blessed knowing and being.”

    "There appears the glory of God" suggests otherwise that he was not a lifelong agnostic or atheist for those not satisfied with a simple answer to his spiritual convictions. How many agnostics or atheists espouse a stated belief in reincarnation, which could be considered another form of resurrection?—

    "We all return. It is this certainty that gives meaning to life and it does not make the slightest difference whether or not in a later incarnation we remember the former life. What counts is not the individual and his comfort, but the great aspiration to the perfect and the pure which goes on in each incarnation."

    Nor does hearing his music, at least to those who understand him better, suggest anything disconnected with the spiritual forces of nature and life, the energy of agnosticism, such as his 3rd Symphony which suggests Divine Creation from the ground up.

    He was not a simple but a complex man who explored many spiritual avenues and cannot be conveniently pigeonholed as being one thing or another. Sometimes one has to ponder and read between the lines... but the problem is that some appear incapable of doing that because they may have no spiritually-based convictions of their own—they're the agnostics, skeptics, and atheists—and are unable to recognize those convictions in someone such as Mahler.
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    IIRC, Bruckner was a devout Catholic.

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    Don't forget Josquin des Prez, Machaut, Dufay, Taverner. All European composers pre 1500 were Roman Catholic.
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    Messiaen was a devout Catholic and he often emphasized his strong faith. I would also mention Berlioz, even though he was an agnostic, his liturgical music is superb.
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    Stravinsky became catholic as far as I know.

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    Liszt wanted the priesthood after screwing half the women in Europe

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    Monteverdi was a Roman catholic priest.

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