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Thread: Shostakovich 11th - why so much ignored?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiebushman View Post
    Interesting that only KenOc mentions the 7th in his list of favorites. I deliberately did not include the 7th in my original post because it like the 11th, has its share of detractors. Personally, I love it and have several recordings of the work.

    I also had the pleasure of hearing it live in the Sydney Concert hall. It was a memorable performance with the visiting USSR State Symphony, not the least reason being that one of the overhead lights crashed down in the middle of the performance. It said a lot for Russian discipline that the orchestra hardly missed a beat. Orr maybe they thought it was merely an planned sound effect!

    You can rubbish the 7th if you wish, but for me it stands with the 8th and 11th at the top of my personal favorites
    I had the good fortune to play this huge work twice during my career....great fun to play...lots of good solos, one really extensive [mvt I].....this work isn't all just loud, bombastic stuff...there are some delicious chamber music passages for just a few instruments, very clear texture....try the bass clarinet over the ostinato flutes in mvt II....,of course, it's plenty loud...one of my section mates brought a sound level meter to a concert....closing pages hit 116+ db on stage, with all the xtra brass and massed percussion....mama mia!! that's industrial level!!

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    The 7th is good, yes, but the first movement’s “invasion” theme seriously lessens my overall enjoyment of the work. It is tedious and banal. This comes from the heart of a Shostakovich lover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlephrase1913 View Post
    The 7th is good, yes, but the first movement’s “invasion” theme seriously lessens my overall enjoyment of the work. It is tedious and banal. This comes from the heart of a Shostakovich lover.
    depends on how it is played....it needs to start soft, almost distant, and grow gradually, steadily, into the terrifying "Panzer full scale armored assault" music that DS intended...Bernstein/CSO make a fine case for it....I fully expect a Panzer Mk IV tank to come crashing thru my walls when i play it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    depends on how it is played....it needs to start soft, almost distant, and grow gradually, steadily, into the terrifying "Panzer full scale armored assault" music that DS intended...Bernstein/CSO make a fine case for it....I fully expect a Panzer Mk IV tank to come crashing thru my walls when i play it!!
    I won't even go into the idea that the first movement of the 7th was written before the German invasion of the USSR. Edward Bast will dispatch his assassination squads!


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    I won't even go into the idea that the first movement of the 7th was written before the German invasion of the USSR. Edward Bast will dispatch his assassination squads!
    according to Volkhov [certainly a questionable source] DS meant for it to be a general "march of tyranny" not specifically restricted to the Nazi Operation Barbarossa...may or may not be genuine, of course....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    Amazing recording!! one of the best recordings of ANY symphony I've ever heard...can't imagine what the live concerts sounded like!! ☺
    With or without the sound effects of a light falling into the orchestra. a live performance of the 7th is mind-boggling especially with Russian brass. My daughter - then about 15 and a violin student - was with me at the performance I mentioned earlier. At the conclusion, she utter just one word - "WOW"

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