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    Tchaikovsky wasn’t gay, he was just confused. You know who was really gay? Heitor Villa-Lobos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Terror View Post
    Tchaikovsky wasn’t gay, he was just confused. You know who was really gay? Heitor Villa-Lobos.
    That calls for a new thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds Weep Snowflakes View Post
    Is it true he had an affair with a man? Did he have any relations with women at some point?
    Your OP is slightly easier to answer than the question in the title of the thread. One's sexuality is not necessarily defined by one's actual behaviour.

    This tacky article illustrates the point, if somewhat crudely.

    https://www.ranker.com/list/gay-cele...elebrity-lists

    Though he was married five times to five different women, many people believed that Cary Grant was actually gay. He lived with actor Randolph Scott on and off for over a decade. He was also rumored to have hired male prostitutes.
    Wouldn't that make Cary Grant bi-sexual? To "be" a homosexual, one might have to do more than simply be pronounced by the tabloids to be so.
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    Was Bach a Cuckold as that would explain all the kids and their varying musical talents
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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese View Post
    Was Bach a Cuckold as that would explain all the kids and their varying musical talents
    No - Mozart had kids with varying talents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhdanov View Post
    fake letters, that is, published in some tabloid.
    In the end, it probably doesn’t matter except maybe to him what his sexual persuasion was. But really, no one has ever been gay in Russia. It doesn’t exist. It’s a Western slur against the noble citizens of that country. Everything is faked and every publication a tabloid even if the original personal letters are written in the person’s own handwriting and it’s published in the New York Times. All fake. And Stalin was always a nice guy too... Good luck with that.
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    Even « some russians » mentionned by Art Rock can’t claim that he was heterosexual because of the lack of concrete evidence they could show ; they just claim he was asexual, ignoring conclusive evidences that he was a practicing homosexual, discovered by Russians scholars in the Klin Archives. According to biographies, he was not bisexual : the disastrous failing of his marriage convinced definitely him that he was not.

    TwoFlutesOneTrumpet : I don’t think Bach discussed his homosexuality in his correspondence or that Bach’s brother discussed his homosexuality in his autobiography, as PT and his brother did.

    KenOC : I don’t know if I could detect that he was gay in his music, but I know some homophobic russian “scholars” that he couldn’t be other than asexual, because such “balanced” and “serene” music couldn’t have been written by a homosexual. What an high level of “scholarship” really…

    Zhdanov, absolutely not : these letters are in the archives of Klin and have been published with reported omissions long years ago. They are published in full now, that’s all. Bad faith has nothing to do in scholarship.

    Red terror : How do you know who was really gay ? And you, How do you know that he “wasn’t gay” but “confused” (???!!!) All serious biographers know that he was gay because of their archivistical and historical reseach, that’s quite simple. You can conclude that someone is gay when previously censured parts of his correspondence reveals that he had relations with men, when the autobiography of his brother mention the fact, that people who knew him mentioned that fact too, etc, etc. That’s people who still discussed endlessly that topic who are “confused”, objectively.

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    I am surprised by your assertion that nobody has ever been gay in Russia, Lark.

    If this were true, why would their Tsar....oops, President, make such efforts to be photographed half naked astride a horse? Maybe he's trying to flush the few that do exist out into the open? Or does he crave their attention, in a purely sexual manner?

    I must admit the idea of Vladimir Putin as a gay icon (or the erudite, sophisticated Yelena Isinbayeva as same for ladies) appeals. I for one, find him deeply, deeply erotic. Phwoarrrh! He can come and "annex my peninsula" any day!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    the original personal letters are written in the person’s own handwriting
    did you see them personally?

    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    it’s published in the New York Times.
    as if it proves a thing. NY Times often stands for 'a pack of lies'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    these letters are in the archives of Klin
    no, they aren't there or anywhere, because they do simply not exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    They are published in full now, that’s all.
    yeah? just like this 'published many decades later' all of a sudden? and no his contemporaries' account that contains no mention of his 'homosexuality' does count anymore?

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    (deleted, The Guardian-link has already been given here earlier).
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    “Tchaikovsky was gay - although it’s true that we don’t love him because of that - but he was a great musician and we all love his music. So what?,” Putin said in an interview with Russian state Channel 1 television
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...9830XL20130904
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    Some of Tchaikovski's music is very gay! But not as gay as Mozart's.
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    Perhaps it is a language thing or perhaps not, but it appears several posters here do not understand the English term "sarcasm"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    The really big question is - who really cares? His music speaks for itself and his sexual orientation has zero impact on that.
    I'll go further than that: I hope he was, and I hope that some photographs or other evidence surfaces, so that I can post them here!!! Yeah, that'll show all you right-wing homophobes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Yeah, that'll show all you right-wing homophobes!
    ain't homophobes at all, i for one have two buddies who are gays, but what should be stood by is facts: the man wasn't seen as a gay by his contemporaries, not even a rumor that could hint at something like that would circulate at the time, and these 'letters' are sure fakes like everything that surfaces decades later than the events.

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