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    Josefina just fyi its "Wache, Wala!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    Have you heard Tomlinson yet? His is my favorite. His version is much more exciting than Goerne's imo
    I have that entire cycle on DVD. Would you like me to watch the first three operas or just the Wache, Wala!?


    Just between you and me: I watched Tannhauser w. Richard Cassilly and B. Weikl. (I ABSOLUTELY HATED IT!) I'm not even going to donate this DVD.

    To give just the music a second chance I ordered a CD with Rene Pape and Thomas Hampson. If the two of them can't sing it in a way that I'll like more, that's it for this one until you or Goerne perform it.) Why would you ever want to perform that thing?
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    No argument from me about George London but let's not overlook Hans Hotter as arguably one of the finest bass/baritones of all time

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR4_9-4cW_o

    And just to amplify the point,try his brilliant 1994 performance (when he was no spring chicken) in my favorite stanza of Gurrelieder:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR4_9-4cW_o
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    Just between you and me:
    Oops! You mustn't have noticed that your mic was still hot. Expect a knock on your door at dawn by an agent of the International Tannhauser Defense League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiebushman View Post
    No argument from me about George London but let's not overlook Hans Hotter as arguably one of the finest bass/baritones of all time

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR4_9-4cW_o
    Hotter never had the purest voice, but no one surpassed him in majesty and fervor. Listen to Knappertsbusch here too, the way he makes the music breathe and blaze, the musicians giving all they can give. After the Met's so-so Walkure this weekend we need this reminder of how transcendently great this music is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerx View Post


    Boris Christoff - Aria of Attila by Verdi

    I already requested that the OP be revised to include the Bass voice. If it doesn't go through, we'll just have an understanding that we may include them. What was I thinking?!?!?!! The following would have been omitted if I didn't include the bass voice.

    Hmm, we still don't have a "smiley" that is wailing in utter agony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiebushman View Post
    No argument from me about George London but let's not overlook Hans Hotter as arguably one of the finest bass/baritones of all time
    I've already declared Hotter the greatest Wotan who ever lived! He's also my favorite singer AND my avatar. No overlooking here :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    I have that entire cycle on DVD. Would you like me to watch the first three operas or just the Wache, Wala!?


    Just between you and me: I watched Tannhauser w. Richard Cassilly and B. Weikl. (I ABSOLUTELY HATED IT!) I'm not even going to donate this DVD.

    To give just the music a second chance I ordered a CD with Rene Pape and Thomas Hampson. If the two of them can't sing it in a way that I'll like more, that's it for this one until you or Goerne perform it.) Why would you ever want to perform that thing?
    Def check out the beginning of Siegfried act 3 just so I can hear your opinion. Notice the energy & urgency that Tomlinson brings to this section. I don't feel it from Goerne, although he sings it beautifully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Oops! You mustn't have noticed that your mic was still hot. Expect a knock on your door at dawn by an agent of the International Tannhauser Defense League.
    Shhh, I did that deliberately. I hope it will provoke Richard to send down all his Newfies to set me straight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    Def check out the beginning of Siegfried act 3 just so I can hear your opinion. Notice the energy & urgency that Tomlinson brings to this section. I don't feel it from Goerne, although he sings it beautifully.
    Your wish is my command.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Hotter never had the purest voice, but no one surpassed him in majesty and fervor. Listen to Knappertsbusch here too, the way he makes the music breathe and blaze, the musicians giving all they can give. After the Met's so-so Walkure this weekend we need this reminder of how transcendently great this music is.
    That majesty & fervor along with his way with words & ability to sing both the softest pianos & rafter shaking fortes is why I think Hotter is unsurpassed in his repertoire. Plus he has that instantly recognizable voice. Who else brings all those attributes to the table in his rep?? If more of these singers exist you must tell me about them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    Def check out the beginning of Siegfried act 3 just so I can hear your opinion. Notice the energy & urgency that Tomlinson brings to this section. I don't feel it from Goerne, although he sings it beautifully.

    NOW we are talking, Bonetan! (Just leaving Goerne aside for the moment.)

    Tomlinson's interpretation in Wache, Wale! really works for me. Even as he approaches stage front, you can see BOTH the STRENGTH and the INTENSE CONFLICT within him. For me and my understanding of Wotan right now, Tomlinson is Wotan!

    (Again, leaving Goerne aside for the moment because we only heard him in a concert version. And I will also have to hear and watch Tomlinson perform Der Augen...)

    Hans Hotter, and Stewart and Windgassen, and all the other shellacers I've heard thus far convey a stereotypical strength of a god that Wotan is not. Wotan is conflicted to the point/or one tiny step from pathological neurosis. Tomlinson gets it and he conveys an awesome strength at the same time which I would associate with a pagan god. Very cool!

    I'm going to start from the beginning. But, Thank God, I actually purchased a DVD set that works for me!

    (I'm sorry; I really DO wish I could love Hotter as much as you. )


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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    NOW we are talking, Bonetan! (Just leaving Goerne aside for the moment.)

    Tomlinson's interpretation in Wache, Wale! really works for me. Even as he approaches stage front, you can see BOTH the STRENGTH and the INTENSE CONFLICT within him. For me and my understanding of Wotan right now, Tomlinson is Wotan!
    I'm glad you enjoyed it! I've been using Tomlinson's 'Wache Wala' as my phone's alarm for a few years now. That should tell you how much I love him in the role. As far as Wotan's on DVD, or even Wotan's in the last 40 years or so, I think he stands alone at the top
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    Hvorostovsky - Valentin's aria from Faust (Gounod)
    Better?

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