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  • Friedrich Schorr

    3 12.00%
  • Hans Hotter

    13 52.00%
  • Ferdinand Frantz

    0 0%
  • Hermann Uhde

    0 0%
  • George London

    2 8.00%
  • Hans Hermann Nissen

    0 0%
  • John Tomlinson

    4 16.00%
  • James Morris

    1 4.00%
  • Theo Adam

    0 0%
  • Donald McIntyre

    1 4.00%
  • Thomas Stewart

    0 0%
  • Norman Bailey

    1 4.00%
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Thread: Who is the Greatest Wotan of All Time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosefinaHW View Post
    I just finished watching the Barenboim/Kupfer Ring and Tomlinson's comments re/ the production. God in Heaven help me: Tomlinson also has a GORGEOUS speaking voice! Melt.

    In case you don't own that Ring Cycle or have never heard Tomlinson and Barenboim's comments, I wanted you to know that Tomlinson mentions that he performed the role of Wotan in that production from 86 (rehearsals)-92 and then further into the 90's in Berlin. So, if you want to hear the opinion of his performance by someone who was in the audience that's the time period you should be searching. I will certainly keep your interest in mind as I do my searching on the internet.

    If you haven't seen Barenboim's and Tomlinson's brief comments, let me know when you will be online and I will record and upload that part of the DVD for a few hours.
    Is this aimed at me? If so, yes, I do own the Barenboim/Tomlinson Ring on Blu-Ray!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    That said, even given his limitations as an actor and interpreter, I have to rank Morris pretty high simply on the basis of his vocal endowment - probably just below Hotter and Schorr, along with Wotans like Nissen and Bockelmann. Tomlinson would probably fall into this group too, but I have to spend a little more time listening to him - I haven't listened to the Barenboim RING in quite a few years.,
    I listened to Wotan's big Act 2 monologue with Tomlinson today. Although he's certainly a more interesting singer than Morris, the latter is far better vocally. Morris' tone is a lot more attractive, and his upper range is vastly more secure, where Tomlinson seems to be emitting pitched shouts.

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    Just for the h*** of it I am going to throw in a vote for Norman Bailey. I was reading a review of the Goodall Siegfried in which Bailey was compared on a par with Hotter. I don't have the technical knowledge to know if there is anything to it but I do like what he does there, also with Hans Sachs, so as I said, what the h***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    Just for the h*** of it I am going to throw in a vote for Norman Bailey. I was reading a review of the Goodall Siegfried in which Bailey was compared on a par with Hotter. I don't have the technical knowledge to know if there is anything to it but I do like what he does there, also with Hans Sachs, so as I said, what the h***
    A lot of people, including me, tend to forget about Bailey because he recorded the role in English, but he's one of my favorite Wotans on complete recordings - and probably my favorite complete Sachs. It's a shame that Decca didn't provide a better cast around him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I listened to Wotan's big Act 2 monologue with Tomlinson today. Although he's certainly a more interesting singer than Morris, the latter is far better vocally. Morris' tone is a lot more attractive, and his upper range is vastly more secure, where Tomlinson seems to be emitting pitched shouts.
    Interesting! I've always found Tomlinson's voice much more attractive than Morris'. I find Tomlinson to have the most godlike voice of them all & I never liked the way Morris scooped & slid into some high notes. BUT I probably overlook Tomlinson's shortcomings & nitpick Morris' because I so much prefer Tomlinson's voice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    Interesting! I've always found Tomlinson's voice much more attractive than Morris'. I find Tomlinson to have the most godlike voice of them all & I never liked the way Morris scooped & slid into some high notes. BUT I probably overlook Tomlinson's shortcomings & nitpick Morris' because I so much prefer Tomlinson's voice...
    Morris did a lot of that scooping and sliding on the recordings. To be honest, it was a lot less of a problem in live performance, at least from where I was sitting.

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    Another vote for Hotter but I prefer London’s voice

    Interestingly they are also two of my favorite lieder singers
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    Does anyone know what lead to Schorr losing his high notes? Did this happen around 1933? How secure were his high notes before then?

    I've been listening to the 1937 Siegfried with Melchior & I can't believe how Schorr completely ducks out of almost any note above an E. Sometimes he doesn't even make an attempt! Could a modern singer get away with this?

    I think I'm going to have to purchase The Potted Ring to truly appreciate this fine artist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    Does anyone know what lead to Schorr losing his high notes? Did this happen around 1933? How secure were his high notes before then?
    He probably lost them for the same reason a lot of singers lose them - too much singing of heavy repertoire. They were better earlier in his career, but high notes were never really a major part of his vocal arsenal. The Siegfried Wanderer/Wotan lies a bit higher than the other Wotans, and a number of successful Wotans in Rheingold and Walkure struggle when singing the Wanderer.

    Preiser has a disc or two of his pre-1930 recordings, but the Potted Ring is probably the best way to hear his Wotan. Likewise, his two live Met Meistersingers find him in late form, but the fairly extensive excerpts that he recorded between about 1927 and 1932 are glorious.

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    After many attempts, it was Hans Hotter that finally drew me into Der Ring des Nibelungen. Knappertsbusch 1956 Wotan's Abschied. Everything about that performance knocked my socks off. He has such a unique timbre to his voice- it truly is in a league of its own, IMO.
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