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    'Reuters news agency is quoting an official with the French firefighting team as saying: "We can now say that the structure of Notre-Dame has been saved from total destruction".

    'AFP is also reporting that the main structure has been "saved and preserved", citing an official.'


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    The fire is devastating and difficult to watch. I am really upset. I have been to Paris three times in my life, and I visited the cathedral each time.

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    This is one of those events where almost the whole world unites in a similar process of mourning. Notre Dame is an iconic historic structure well beyond its ties to French/Roman Catholicism. It was devastating to watch no matter one’s religion or country of origin.

    I wonder whether the core structure really can be saved the way they’re saying with all the smoke and water damage to all that old wood.
    Last edited by DaveM; Apr-16-2019 at 05:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza sordino View Post
    The fire is devastating and difficult to watch. I am really upset. I have been to Paris three times in my life, and I visited the cathedral each time.
    Me too, special the organ playing sounded stupendous .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    After surviving all these centuries and two world wars, and now this. That's tragic.
    One gloomy Sunday morning some years back, when a mass or two was being murmured in the darkened cathedral, I was considering the history behind a memorial by the South? rose window, which commemorated the Liberation of Paris in 1945. Suddenly the famous orgue of Notre Dame struck up and I burst into tears with the significance and beauty of it all.

    On an Easter Sunday long before, I had heard Messaien playing that organ. A young Australian organist, who has been in contact with the Notre Dame organists since the fire, says any damage to the organ is likely to be everlasting. And the same goes for the rose window it seems.
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    The interior is possibly in a somewhat better condition than could be expected, compared to pictures from yesterday evening.
    Parts of the roof/ceiling went down though.

    https://twitter.com/ClementSalviani/...19472713469952

    One company has said that it will donate 100 million Euros
    https://www.capital.fr/economie-poli...is-1335328?amp

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    ‘Even replacing the timber roof structure that burned could be challenge. “Where do you get timber long enough?” he said. “The oak forests are gone.” ‘

    'Foyle also worried that one of the cathedral’s iconic features — a kaleidoscopic 62-foot window that was a gift from France’s king in 1240 — could be lost forever. Still, he said there are French architects trained in medieval building techniques that would be up to the task of restoring this “pioneering giant of Gothic cathedrals.” ‘

    From an MSN article.
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    Awful. Let's hope that they can rebuild it.


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    Many churches and cathedrals have fallen (to the elements or deliberate destruction) to be rebuilt in some form. Notre Dame doesn't appear to be in the sort of state Coventry Cathedral was brought to in 1940, which is still a ruin. However, the Frauenkirche in Dresden was rebuilt after lying in total ruins for some 50 years.

    It takes will and decision-making. These buildings were originally built without regard for 'practicality' or 'economic viability' in the modern sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    "Hundreds of firemen of the Paris Fire Brigade are doing everything they can to bring the terrible #NotreDame fire under control. All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral."

    French authorities via https://twitter.com/SecCivileFrance/...74924268376064

    EDIT:

    Glass windows gone https://twitter.com/NathyBachelier/s...98832593944576
    Conflicting information - now it is said that the three glass window rosettes and the organ were saved
    https://www.bfmtv.com/culture/notre-...box=1555407488

    EDIT: Pictures and a survey of saved/lost items. Rosette still there (in French)
    https://www.franceinter.fr/societe/f...t-a-notre-dame

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    These are hardly "good news stories", but there are reports of the rose windows being largely intact, and:

    Paris' deputy mayor says Notre Dame's organ, among the world's most famous and biggest, remains intact after a devastating fire at Paris' main cathedral.

    Emmanuel Gregoire told BFMTV Tuesday that a plan to protect Notre Dame's treasures was rapidly and successfully activated.

    The impressive organ dates to the 1730s and was constructed by Francois Thierry. It boasts an estimated 8,000 pipes.

    Gregoire also described "enormous relief" at the salvaging of pieces such as the purported Crown of Christ.

    A few crumbs of comfort....

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    This may spur very serious efforts to secure these flammable cultural treasures from the same fate, so that, if a fire breaks out, the resources are immediately available and equal to the task. When one adds to this the incredible vandalism that ISIS and the Taliban have wrought throughout the areas they control, it chills the heart that world cultural heritage is so easily destroyed.

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    First and foremost I'm grateful that no lives were lost. This building nor any other is worth the life of a firefighter.

    Get some perspective.

    Having said that, I was sorry to see it burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metairie Road View Post
    First and foremost I'm grateful that no lives were lost. This building nor any other is worth the life of a firefighter.
    I think that goes without saying - as I'm sure we all assumed.

    Very sorry to see it on fire on the news video - that moment when the spire collapsed!
    Such sadness and shock for the people of France.

    I am sure the will to restore the church is there, and I'm glad that it isn't all bad news - that some treasures were salvaged, and above all, that no lives were lost.

    How can it have started?
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    Every post here on the forum represents a choice of perspective, of matters that are important and not so important. But this isn't just a building, it is, among other things, a symbol of a good deal of the country's and the city's historical and cultural heritage. As such, it is a library as well.

    It's probably easy to identify where the fire started, but a bit more tricky to establish why. They'll have to map electrical / tool sources etc. and other factors.
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