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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    Every post here on the forum represents a choice of perspective, of matters that are important and not so important. But this isn't just a building, it is, among other things, a symbol of a good deal of the country's and the city's historical and cultural heritage. As such, it is a library as well.
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    "Choice of perspective", good phrase. There are people who have been prepared to risk their lives protecting buildings and items of historical and cultural heritage.
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    Does anybody know of any outstanding and currently available recordings that were made in the cathedral?

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    I listened to Machaut's mass by Ensemble Organum when I saw the news. Couldn't stand watching it burn for long, too disturbing.

    As for risking lives, it's easy to say this about a building, but someone had to determine who was safe and who wasn't. Seems amazing that nobody was trapped inside... or should I not think about that.

    Finally, like many historical monuments, it represents 1000s of lives that were already lost, in battles over territories real and virtual. This is part of the equation that determines how valuable it is to us now, and how much risk should be spent to preserve it. Everybody will weigh these factors differently. I was a bit shocked that it took two hours before I saw any sign of response, but I also was in awe at the scale of the disaster and how difficult it would be to stop.

    Sad. I've never even been to Paris so my only memories are from the view of Charles Laughton...
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    Default Perotin - Viderunt omnes; Notre Dame Cathedral of old

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    https://www.cbcmusic.ca/posts/21145/...ris-latry-bach

    Organist Olivier Latry had no way of knowing that his latest album, Bach to the Future, would possibly be the final recording ever made on the famous Cavaillé-Coll organ at Notre-Dame de Paris.

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    Here's a BBC article with clear graphics explaining how the fire went, what was saved and what was not.

    Added: I read earlier that the organ was saved.
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    All these are Notre Dame. I prefer Jennifer Bate, but these are thoughtful and meditative readings, a different maybe less dramatic perspective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by philoctetes View Post
    I listened to Machaut's mass by Ensemble Organum when I saw the news. Couldn't stand watching it burn for long, too disturbing.

    As for risking lives, it's easy to say this about a building, but someone had to determine who was safe and who wasn't. Seems amazing that nobody was trapped inside... or should I not think about that.

    Finally, like many historical monuments, it represents 1000s of lives that were already lost, in battles over territories real and virtual. This is part of the equation that determines how valuable it is to us now, and how much risk should be spent to preserve it. Everybody will weigh these factors differently. I was a bit shocked that it took two hours before I saw any sign of response, but I also was in awe at the scale of the disaster and how difficult it would be to stop.

    Sad. I've never even been to Paris so my only memories are from the view of Charles Laughton...
    Your last comment has injected a much-needed note of gentle humour, thank you!

    As to lives lost, have a look at the graphics Ken directs us to from the BBC. One could say the fire was actually on the outside of the cathedral, and the damage inside was probably only (!) caused by the collapse of the wooden spire. I am not being blase, but up until that point "downstairs was safe" as it were.

    All the relatively new statues congregated around the base of the spire, were removed last week, so are safe.

    I am trying to think about the Physics of all this. Surely the roof and vault would exert outward force, balanced by the inward of the flying buttresses. I would have thought the walls, especially down the shorter East end, will have moved inwards? Thank Christ for a stone vault! I may be wrong, but it is wooden at York Minster, hence the absence of flying buttresses on the transepts, hence the quick collapse into the inside back in 1984.

    They were built to last, these old churches!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    ...When one adds to this the incredible vandalism that ISIS and the Taliban have wrought throughout the areas they control, it chills the heart that world cultural heritage is so easily destroyed.
    At least this was by accident, and unlike in those situations, no lives have been lost. I was shocked to realise that Palmyra was only one of dozens of such places destroyed. It’s been going on right under our noses. I’m withholding further comments to prevent politicisation of this topic. Otherwise this was my exact reaction when I first heard this news yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyIII View Post
    Does anybody know of any outstanding and currently available recordings that were made in the cathedral?
    I have one with Latrie, this one, alas the price on e Bay gone up by the hour yesterday.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Three-Centu.../dp/B00BOV4FZA
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    Here's some good drone footage from The Guardian showing the extent of damage at the cathedral, at least from the outside. Watch full-screen if you can.



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    To see what it looked like before the fire



    This is interactive and again best watched full screen. It's best on You Tube as otherwise the logo gets in the way of the pan and tilt controls.
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