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    Also, flamenco, a young man like yourself CAN dream, and thanks for "pulling the trigger" on the genius/nut - Glenn Gould - in his recordings. I can hardly remember whether the late, George Szell characterized him (Gould) as a genius or a nut, or both (haha), but Gould's was a UNIQUE talent - enthusiastic and learned, and maybe, sometimes … willful.

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    Mandryka - Thanks for your May 11th post & recommendations …. esp. that ONE with the unknown and/or forgotten pianist - Edward Steuermann. Geez, decades-ago, I dubbed an old, monaural LP of Ed. S, in the opus 19 and opus 23. There was a publication - maybe the old High Fidelity magazine - that recommended Steuermann as "eloquent", and more, in these pieces. Fine, also, is the note of Craft in the Brahms' transcription (with the Chicago SO, at it's height), plus Bethany Beardsley, in Pierrot. Thanks again for your measure of comprehensiveness, in the elusive "area" of Schoenberg recordings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 89Koechel View Post
    Also, flamenco, a young man like yourself CAN dream, and thanks for "pulling the trigger" on the genius/nut - Glenn Gould - in his recordings. I can hardly remember whether the late, George Szell characterized him (Gould) as a genius or a nut, or both (haha), but Gould's was a UNIQUE talent - enthusiastic and learned, and maybe, sometimes … willful.
    Agreed. As I have often said here, it was Glenn Gould and his unique, willful talent that got me into classical music to begin with. I'm more from a rock (and punk rock) and jazz background, so his style had a direct appeal that really caught my ears. By that same token, it was only a matter of time before I discovered Schoenberg and his fascinating music.

    Anyway, besides Verklärte Nacht, the four quartets, and the string trio, does Schoenberg have much else in the way of chamber music? What of the chamber symphonies? I don't really know anything about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Agreed. As I have often said here, it was Glenn Gould and his unique, willful talent that got me into classical music to begin with. I'm more from a rock (and punk rock) and jazz background, so his style had a direct appeal that really caught my ears. By that same token, it was only a matter of time before I discovered Schoenberg and his fascinating music.

    Anyway, besides Verklärte Nacht, the four quartets, and the string trio, does Schoenberg have much else in the way of chamber music?
    Yes there are quite a few things but there’s one which I’m particularly fond of, the op 24 serenade. I expect that there are some fine performances of the op 47 phantasy for piano and violin, I’ve never explored it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    Yes there are quite a few things but there’s one which I’m particularly fond of, the op 24 serenade. I expect that there are some fine performances of the op 47 phantasy for piano and violin, I’ve never explored it.
    I listened to Glenn Gould with Israel Baker perform the Phantasy in the morning. It was indeed good. I will have to look into the Serenade, I've heard bits of it before.

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    The only Schoenberg recordings I have are from Karajan - the Verklärte Nacht recording and the Webern Passacaglia album.

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    I just bought this CD. Wanted to note that Craft's Five Pieces for Orchestra is the best I've heard, much better than Boulez/BBC. Also included are Schoenberg's transcription of a harpsichord concerto by GM Monn for solo Cello and orchestra, and then his orchestration of Brahms' piano quartet in G minor, neither of which I've heard yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
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    I just bought this CD. Wanted to note that Craft's Five Pieces for Orchestra is the best I've heard, much better than Boulez/BBC. Also included are Schoenberg's transcription of a harpsichord concerto by GM Monn for solo Cello and orchestra, and then his orchestration of Brahms' piano quartet in G minor, neither of which I've heard yet.

    The first recording that Craft made of the Brahms is exceptional, this

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    I'll give a listen to the Rosbaud, and Gielen operas. Thanks!
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    Paul Jacobs on Nonesuch is one of the best renditions of Schoenberg. It's recorded well, and is very subtle and precise.

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    Also, I consider my first experiences with Schoenberg to be the most important, since I "imprinted" on them. For that reason I suggest Stokowski's Verklarte Nacht, and the early Boulez Domaine Musical recordings, with the sextet version of same, and the Serenade.

    Unfortunately, most volumes of "The Music of Arnold Schoenberg" box sets on Columbia Masterworks conducted by Robert Craft are not available except as the original vinyl. There are a couple of exceptions to this: the Brahms/Bach transcriptions, and volume VII, released as a Glenn Gould album, but containing Eugene Ormandy's version of Theme and Variations op. 43b, a very important work to me.

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    Also, David Atherton's Wind Quintet op.26 on London, and the Serenade op. 24/Marlboro Festival 40th anniversary. For the String Quartets, I consider the LaSalle box essential, but not definitive.
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    I have a couple of the complete Schoenberg piano music sets (Pollini and Gould), and I'm totally satisfied with both. But I may have to go for that Paul Jacobs disc on account of the great album artwork. Schiele is one of my favorite painters and his portrait of Schoenberg is almost as cool as Schoenberg's own self-portrait.

    Good call. If I come around any of those on vinyl, I'll make sure to grab one. My classical vinyl collection is seriously lacking, especially when it comes to 12-tone music. I once saw the complete piano music of Stockhausen on vinyl for really cheap at a record store. At the time I just noted the oddity of the find, but I regret not going for it now.

    I'm listening now to the Schoenberg arrangement of a G.M. Monn harpsichord concerto on this Robert Craft disc. He basically transcribed this harpsichord concerto by a relatively obscure Viennese late Baroque/early Classical composer for cello and orchestra. Very strange, but it's quite good and very enjoyable. Sounds nothing like anything else he ever wrote, nor any other work of the era in which it was originally written.
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