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    How about the governmental and scientific "elites"? How are they supposed to get to environmental conferences; walk on the water? We see that Mike Pompeo, no friend of the environment, has made sure that the longstanding Arctic protection treaty has been scuttled--I guess he walked on the water to that conference--by killing language saying that Global Warming was a bad thing. He thinks it's a Good Thing for the Arctic--all that nasty cold and ice! Now shipping, probably mostly tankers, will be able to cruise regularly through the Northwest Passage as the Arctic ice melts away. Such puerility!

    Here's the Mike Pompeo/Trump answer to Arctic warming:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48185793
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    Teleconferencing? Or Videoconferencing? That is about as carbon neutral as it gets. Would save a lot of money too, not having to put all the governmental officials and all their retinue up in fancy hotels (nothing low-brow) paid for with tax dollars, and healthy per diems to go eat better than the average person on the taxpayers' dimes.

    At any rate, I spoke of the societal and cultural elites - the Al Gores and Leo Dicaprios and every other non-expert who thinks they have something important to say on the matter, but only end up filling the atmosphere with more carbon and hot air. I doubt I will contribute as much carbon to the environment in my entire life as either of these two do in a single year.

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    Well if you like bitcoin you are no friend to mother nature... if you like the Fed (and stock market) you are no friend to the poor. What to do?
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    I imagine I will continue to do much as I have done my entire life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    Teleconferencing? Or Videoconferencing? That is about as carbon neutral as it gets. Would save a lot of money too, not having to put all the governmental officials and all their retinue up in fancy hotels (nothing low-brow) paid for with tax dollars, and healthy per diems to go eat better than the average person on the taxpayers' dimes.

    At any rate, I spoke of the societal and cultural elites - the Al Gores and Leo Dicaprios and every other non-expert who thinks they have something important to say on the matter, but only end up filling the atmosphere with more carbon and hot air. I doubt I will contribute as much carbon to the environment in my entire life as either of these two do in a single year.
    so what solutions to the problems are you proposing?
    https://www.dw.com/en/five-of-the-wo...ems/a-35915705
    you don't seem to even recognize the problems. Even if we admit that global warming is controversial and nobody know how severe threat it is, the other problems are undeniable - massive deforestation, overpopulation, biodiversity loss, plastics pollution . We produced all this plastic pollution in just 60 years and all you are capable of is making jokes about plastic straws. .
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    I want to live in a nuclear energy nirvana. Replace all coal-burning power plants with nuclear power plants.
    Apart from that:
    Ban all oil production. Carpet the landscape with windmills and solar panels (what effect, I wonder, will that have on biodiversity?). Banish all plastics. All people will work until the age of 60, will retire for 5 years, and then, at the age of 65, report to centers where they will be turned into soylent green to feed the rest of us. Allow couples only one child, and institute forced abortions for all violations of the one child rule. Everybody will be issued a water reclamation suit, that will recycle all their bodily fluids, and this will be their primary source of drinking water. All humanity will be forced into ultra dense urban zones, depopulating all other regions and allowing it to return to nature. All personal automobiles other than bicycles will be eliminated. Everybody will be issued one set of recycled aluminum eating utensils at birth. There will be no paper or plastic items. Diets will be restricted to what Michelle Obama decides based on her backyard garden.
    And we'll all live happily every after.

    Or we'll just continue with progress and come up with better, cleaner ways to do things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    I want to live in a nuclear energy nirvana. Replace all coal-burning power plants with nuclear power plants.
    Apart from that:
    Ban all oil production. Carpet the landscape with windmills and solar panels (what effect, I wonder, will that have on biodiversity?). Banish all plastics. All people will work until the age of 60, will retire for 5 years, and then, at the age of 65, report to centers where they will be turned into soylent green to feed the rest of us. Allow couples only one child, and institute forced abortions for all violations of the one child rule. Everybody will be issued a water reclamation suit, that will recycle all their bodily fluids, and this will be their primary source of drinking water. All humanity will be forced into ultra dense urban zones, depopulating all other regions and allowing it to return to nature. All personal automobiles other than bicycles will be eliminated. Everybody will be issued one set of recycled aluminum eating utensils at birth. There will be no paper or plastic items. Diets will be restricted to what Michelle Obama decides based on her backyard garden.
    And we'll all live happily every after.

    Or we'll just continue with progress and come up with better, cleaner ways to do things.
    or maybe supplementing people like you with iodine, so that the deficiency does not cause these severe neurodevelopmental issues.

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    There are no people like me. There is only me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    I imagine I will continue to do much as I have done my entire life.
    Don't Worry! Be Happy! Let the grandkids worry.

    The quickest, easiest way to deal with a worrisome problem is to deny it exists.
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    Isn't that the way all life has proceeded? We are already bankrupting them with all the social programs we want for ourselves - why not let them solve all our other problems as well? Why do they only have to pay for our healthcare and retirement? Why not our plastics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    Isn't that the way all life has proceeded? We are already bankrupting them with all the social programs we want for ourselves - why not let them solve all our other problems as well? Why do they only have to pay for our healthcare and retirement? Why not our plastics?
    Some truth there! “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” -Alexis De Tocqueville, ca 1830

    But Congress is even cleverer than Alexis figured. It bribes the public with the still-unearned wealth of the public’s own children and grandchildren.

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    The children of the WWI generation figured out how to solve the problems left behind by their parents. The children and grandchildren of the WWII generation finally figured out how to end the Cold War left to them. And while the children of the Sexual Revolution left us with new problems to overcome (HIV/AIDS, in particular), we have come a long way in treating that, although we are not quite there yet. The point is that every generation ends up, to some extent, cleaning up the problems of previous ones, in addition to dealing with their own. Humans always leave behind problems they couldn't solve or didn't get around to. It will always be that way, because, more often than not, we simply don't have the tools available to accomplish what we wish to accomplish. The technology may not yet exist, and what tools we have are inadequate to the task. But there are not a lot of problems that ultimately last for multiple generations. Some do, to be sure. Some may always be with us. But thus far, no dystopian stories ever written have come to fruition. Some have come close.

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    The most mind-boggling thing is when folk are warned of impending problems and they keep on doing exactly the same things that are causing them or scuppering attempts to fix them because they think the 'solutions' are all a leftist plot to undermine 'Murica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eugeneonagain View Post
    The most mind-boggling thing is when folk are warned of impending problems and they keep on doing exactly the same things that are causing them or scuppering attempts to fix them because they think the 'solutions' are all a leftist plot to undermine 'Murica.
    Like people who still think socialism is a viable system?

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    A lot of people think GMOs are a solution. What side of that fence is the "correct" one, I dare ask the wise.

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