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    One of the best things about the individual Koopman cantatas is that they contain the texts and translations. Because-IMO-sometimes it is useful to know what all these folks are singing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    One of the best things about the individual Koopman cantatas is that they contain the texts and translations. Because-IMO-sometimes it is useful to know what all these folks are singing about.
    That's good to know. I much prefer the smaller sets than a huge box set. I'm looking forward to them arriving in the mail.
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    Everyone says Bach was a masterful tone-painter in his cantatas. Of course, those I've listened to to this point, I have no idea what's going on, beyond the music itself. Anyway, that Koopman set should be arriving today

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    It is worthwhile to read a study on Bach's cantatas, rather then the small booklets that usually go with CD's.

    I can recommend Alfred Durr or Christoph Wolff/Ton Koopman (3 volumes), but as far as I know, only the first volume of the latter was issued in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLAdriaan View Post
    It is worthwhile to read a study on Bach's cantatas, rather then the small booklets that usually go with CD's.

    I can recommend Alfred Durr or Christoph Wolff/Ton Koopman (3 volumes), but as far as I know, only the first volume of the latter was issued in English.
    Amazon US listing for the Wolff Cantata book. https://www.amazon.com/World-Bach-Ca...s=books&sr=1-2

    Wolff and Gardiner wrote other books on Bach. The Gardiner goes into much more musical analysis. The Wolff is a general biography. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=bach+lear..._sb_ss_fb_1_21
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    I usually seek book reviews at goodreads.com. Many of the reviewers are more knowledgeable and critical than Amazon reviewers. Looks like the Gardiner book is a tough slog in need of more concise editing.
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...stle-of-heaven

    Reviews for the Wolff bio. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...om_search=true

    There were no reviews for the Cantata book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I've decided these are the ones I like best.

    Are the re-issues of the early cantatas on Channel Classics just a re-issue or are they new recordings of the same cantatas?
    I am thinking they are new recordings.
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    Anyone interested in Koopman's Bach cantatas should consider this new complete release including 67 cds - Rmathuln reported about on the new releases thread:

    KoopmanBach.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ras View Post
    Anyone interested in Koopman's Bach cantatas should consider this new complete release including 67 cds - Rmathuln reported about on the new releases thread:

    KoopmanBach.jpg
    Wow, awesome! The complete set has long been out of print and is going for around $1300, so this is great news.

    I have volume 1, on Erato, and I think it's excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Wow, awesome! The complete set has long been out of print and is going for around $1300, so this is great news.

    I have volume 1, on Erato, and I think it's excellent.
    I posted a new link for you in New releases
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    Simon Crouch's comments on the cantatas are short but insightful.

    http://www.classical.net/music/comp....s/rateindx.php

    If you want more discussion, here is a link to a site that discusses Bach cantatas.

    https://www.bach-cantatas.com/IndexBWV.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ras View Post
    Anyone interested in Koopman's Bach cantatas should consider this new complete release including 67 cds - Rmathuln reported about on the new releases thread:

    KoopmanBach.jpg
    That figures! Now that I've just purchased three of the older 3 disc sets. I'm not seeing a listing for this re-issue at any of the retailers.
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    ^^^^Presto lists it at $321 marked down to $257

    https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...w=large&page=4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    ^^^^Presto lists it at $321 marked down to $257

    https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...w=large&page=4
    Hopefully they'll include it in their holiday box set sale at a significant discount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Hopefully they'll include it in their holiday box set sale at a significant discount.
    Get the credit card ready
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Get the credit card ready
    I just want the individual set with BWV 140 if I can find out what volume it's on.

    Just found it. A single disc, and a 3 CD set.
    https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...wv+140+koopman
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