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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaro View Post
    Great point. Thanks. Will steal the idea So, let's call it toy from now on I have to change a bit that repeated statement: PLAY, PRACTICE and ENJOY into something else.

    It will come to me how to put it better.

    I hope today I will find time to record some video with possible improvement ('Dimace') if not, then Saturday.

    So, to keep us going, let's PLAY with our "TOYS" and have loads of FUN and progress
    As you see, you have one more follower (our friend millionrainbows) in your difficult (and very beautiful) way. This is good. Support keeps morale high. we are waiting for the video (s) and don't forget: Music isn't an obligation, but happiness and joy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimace View Post
    As you see, you have one more follower (our friend millionrainbows) in your difficult (and very beautiful) way. This is good. Support keeps morale high. we are waiting for the video (s) and don't forget: Music isn't an obligation, but happiness and joy.
    Yes, I remember to record. It will happen tomorrow. Thanks for support. I know I don't follow the easiest path (teacher would be handy, very handy to replace the my app PM, which I am using more right now as a library then learning tool. However I wouldn't be here where I am right now without it... but I understand now, that even one lesson with teacher in two weeks correcting what I did on the way here would be golden) So, I still need to go trough few difficulties while changing few things/habits/life style to win more time to focus even more on this passion... it is worth the effort... and I hope - NO - I know it will bring even more joy soon.

    So, let's choose what works best for us and PLAY with our "TOYS" and while having loads of FUN let's: Work, play, discover, accomplish! (stolen from you 'millionrainbows' )
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    ...next video + some bird sounds unplanned This time with tempo 140, and I think I will stay on that tempo for a while playing/having fun to sound better. I am still not happy what I hear/play, but enjoy the process . At the end there is a taste of Andante and I hope full Andante, with not full tempo yet, or? Who knows... will come next week. Ready to hear some wisdom

    Anyway, it is time to play for me again. Today after spending some time recording what you can see below (it is always quite a hassle but worth it), I will spend less time then planned with my piano: playing with it like we used to when we played with our TOYS. So, less discovery for me today, less accomplishment, less practice... YOU HAVE FUN! YOU PLAY! YOU DISCOVER

    Promised video... still to early to say enjoy, but soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaro View Post
    ...next video + some bird sounds unplanned This time with tempo 140, and I think I will stay on that tempo for a while playing/having fun to sound better. I am still not happy what I hear/play, but enjoy the process . At the end there is a taste of Andante and I hope full Andante, with not full tempo yet, or? Who knows... will come next week. Ready to hear some wisdom

    Anyway, it is time to play for me again. Today after spending some time recording what you can see below (it is always quite a hassle but worth it), I will spend less time then planned with my piano: playing with it like we used to when we played with our TOYS. So, less discovery for me today, less accomplishment, less practice... YOU HAVE FUN! YOU PLAY! YOU DISCOVER

    Promised video... still to early to say enjoy, but soon
    Does Clementi make the pianist? Yes he does! You did it again! Very nice! I heard something I can listen, something I can buy, as a teacher. You made my evening, my friend. You are progressing well. Slow but well. Your hands are more stable now, you keep the rhythm, I listened also something like F, mF and P. Your overall shape as a pianist is better. Keep going and BRAVO. (I want a video (or two) with some major climaxes (up to 4 black keys, let us say) played in two octaves and mF when you will have the time).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimace View Post
    Does Clementi make the pianist? Yes he does! You did it again! Very nice! I heard something I can listen, something I can buy, as a teacher. You made my evening, my friend. You are progressing well. Slow but well. Your hands are more stable now, you keep the rhythm, I listened also something like F, mF and P. Your overall shape as a pianist is better. Keep going and BRAVO. (I want a video (or two) with some major climaxes (up to 4 black keys, let us say) played in two octaves and mF when you will have the time).
    I know I don't spend enough time to playing to make faster progress. I really struggling to change that. I will happen soon or later though. Funny enough, YT claimed that part when I play with some copyright rights. It means robots YT uses recognised that music as well Anyway, thanks for your comment. It is really helping me out moving forward. I am glad to record and I will find time to do it, even it might be devastating for hour or so for me when I hear the truth about my mistakes but after that first hit it motivates me to improve and move forward. So, thanks again for honesty, harsh truth. It is the only way to make some progress. And here comes my question, since I still develop musical vocabulary, since English is not my first language: What do you mean by major climaxes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaro View Post
    I know I don't spend enough time to playing to make faster progress. I really struggling to change that. I will happen soon or later though. Funny enough, YT claimed that part when I play with some copyright rights. It means robots YT uses recognised that music as well Anyway, thanks for your comment. It is really helping me out moving forward. I am glad to record and I will find time to do it, even it might be devastating for hour or so for me when I hear the truth about my mistakes but after that first hit it motivates me to improve and move forward. So, thanks again for honesty, harsh truth. It is the only way to make some progress. And here comes my question, since I still develop musical vocabulary, since English is not my first language: What do you mean by major climaxes?
    A,(Do in Italian) G (Sol) D (Re) etc. Look to your Hanon. The first 4 octaves / climaxes with up to 4 diesis (Diësis) marks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaro View Post
    ...next video + some bird sounds unplanned This time with tempo 140, and I think I will stay on that tempo for a while playing/having fun to sound better. I am still not happy what I hear/play, but enjoy the process . At the end there is a taste of Andante and I hope full Andante, with not full tempo yet, or? Who knows... will come next week. Ready to hear some wisdom

    Anyway, it is time to play for me again. Today after spending some time recording what you can see below (it is always quite a hassle but worth it), I will spend less time then planned with my piano: playing with it like we used to when we played with our TOYS. So, less discovery for me today, less accomplishment, less practice... YOU HAVE FUN! YOU PLAY! YOU DISCOVER

    Promised video... still to early to say enjoy, but soon
    I think what would limber you up is to play chord progressions (the circle of fourths and fifths) instead of more scales (after you've learned them all). And my personal favorite as a piano teacher for many decades, is pick 10 or 20 pop songs that you won't get tired of quickly and either memorize them -- or just bang them out with a 'freedom' that is artistically freeing! You need to express yourself emotionally no matter what you play..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    I think what would limber you up is to play chord progressions (the circle of fourths and fifths) instead of more scales (after you've learned them all). And my personal favorite as a piano teacher for many decades, is pick 10 or 20 pop songs that you won't get tired of quickly and either memorize them -- or just bang them out with a 'freedom' that is artistically freeing! You need to express yourself emotionally no matter what you play..
    Thanks for advice. Always appreciated. Yes I am thinking about it. But those which I found are still few levels above my recent level. It is not that far though. Once I manage to have more time I will divide my day plan into some technique exercises and then those Clementi Sonatinas (thanks for those 'Dimace' I really like them) and pop songs will be there too to entertain a bit my family and friends... not all of them are after Classical music.

    Anyway it is time to work further on that Andante part of Sonatina op 36 no 1. And of course those climaxes ('Dimace'), though I am still a bit confused what you really mean. But will get to that tomorrow. Today there is still some gardening work waiting for me... so before I get to that it is PIANO TIME. Join me: Let's PLAY, let's HAVE FUN, let's discover something new, let's possibly surprise ourselves Just use your "TOY" and PLAY I will! NOW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaro View Post
    Thanks for advice. Always appreciated. Yes I am thinking about it. But those which I found are still few levels above my recent level. It is not that far though. Once I manage to have more time I will divide my day plan into some technique exercises and then those Clementi Sonatinas (thanks for those 'Dimace' I really like them) and pop songs will be there too to entertain a bit my family and friends... not all of them are after Classical music.

    Anyway it is time to work further on that Andante part of Sonatina op 36 no 1. And of course those climaxes ('Dimace'), though I am still a bit confused what you really mean. But will get to that tomorrow. Today there is still some gardening work waiting for me... so before I get to that it is PIANO TIME. Join me: Let's PLAY, let's HAVE FUN, let's discover something new, let's possibly surprise ourselves Just use your "TOY" and PLAY I will! NOW!
    I need to hear what your goals are. Eventually playing on the world-class level, Liszt, Ravel?, or making progress as fast as possible?

    Are you familair with the Kuhlau sonatinas?

    Is Jacqueline du Pre really playing this Kuhlau Sonatina Op. 20 No1? ...I’ve heard she played the cello too. lol

    7 minutes in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvPza4XosW4

    Here’s the moving score;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm_3Q0rP4iQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaro View Post
    Thanks for advice. Always appreciated. Yes I am thinking about it. But those which I found are still few levels above my recent level. It is not that far though. Once I manage to have more time I will divide my day plan into some technique exercises and then those Clementi Sonatinas (thanks for those 'Dimace' I really like them) and pop songs will be there too to entertain a bit my family and friends... not all of them are after Classical music.

    Anyway it is time to work further on that Andante part of Sonatina op 36 no 1. And of course those climaxes ('Dimace'), though I am still a bit confused what you really mean. But will get to that tomorrow. Today there is still some gardening work waiting for me... so before I get to that it is PIANO TIME. Join me: Let's PLAY, let's HAVE FUN, let's discover something new, let's possibly surprise ourselves Just use your "TOY" and PLAY I will! NOW!
    Page 32 of your Hanon... (up to 38, if I remember correctly) The scales! A,B,C,D, etc. Have a great time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimace View Post
    Page 32 of your Hanon... (up to 38, if I remember correctly) The scales! A,B,C,D, etc. Have a great time.
    All right got it. Found it as well. Went through the book with my eyes what is waiting there for me and I am excited... I already started to to practice like recommended in book with first three exercises (Hanons) trying to play them all together and later started with C major scale (4 octaves)... a bit of trouble but will practice few scales like recommended in the book so till Saturday I should be ready to record some. I am discovering the advantage of playing that way... Great stuff.

    Oh, and I found at the end of the book this: "Now that the student has practised this entire volume..., he ought to play this entire book through every day for a certain time..." WOW. Is that true? This is what real/great pianists do? Well, I guess this book will become my close friend for some time... Though I found that Hanon exercises are on C (white keys only) and as recommended I am playing for my warm up as well Hanon 1 in G, F and D. (up to two black keys).

    Anyway, it is great thing that I finally got this book. Great exercises... got those of course in my app PM but spread into various exercises you go through and at some point forget about. It is nice to have it in one place at last.

    All right back to practice... Join me, whoever reads this post and let's PLAY!

    Luchesi to answer your questions:

    Based what many say if you don't start at early age you can't reach that level of playing as world class pianist reached. I am 43 now, and have been learning on my own for last two years...You see, I don't think about my piano journey that way that I have to reach some level in certain time, I leave the door open, I want to practice, I want to learn, I want to enjoy piano and where that will lead me I will see once I am there. Of course I want to play as good as I can with the time I have to practice right now. I enjoy it a lot... but there are many other aspects of life that has to be taken care of. Working on having more and more time for my piano practice since it became a passion to me. Loads of gaps though to fill in. I started with knowing almost nothing about the music... but learning... daily... one bit at the time.

    And, no, I haven't heard about Kuhlau Sonatina, but I know it now
    Thanks for suggestions. Thanks for help.

    And now, back to my practice. Still have a bit more then hour to fill with practice/fun/and music
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaro View Post
    All right got it. Found it as well. Went through the book with my eyes what is waiting there for me and I am excited... I already started to to practice like recommended in book with first three exercises (Hanons) trying to play them all together and later started with C major scale (4 octaves)... a bit of trouble but will practice few scales like recommended in the book so till Saturday I should be ready to record some. I am discovering the advantage of playing that way... Great stuff.

    Oh, and I found at the end of the book this: "Now that the student has practised this entire volume..., he ought to play this entire book through every day for a certain time..." WOW. Is that true? This is what real/great pianists do? Well, I guess this book will become my close friend for some time... Though I found that Hanon exercises are on C (white keys only) and as recommended I am playing for my warm up as well Hanon 1 in G, F and D. (up to two black keys).

    Anyway, it is great thing that I finally got this book. Great exercises... got those of course in my app PM but spread into various exercises you go through and at some point forget about. It is nice to have it in one place at last.

    All right back to practice... Join me, whoever reads this post and let's PLAY!

    Luchesi to answer your questions:

    Based what many say if you don't start at early age you can't reach that level of playing as world class pianist reached. I am 43 now, and have been learning on my own for last two years...You see, I don't think about my piano journey that way that I have to reach some level in certain time, I leave the door open, I want to practice, I want to learn, I want to enjoy piano and where that will lead me I will see once I am there. Of course I want to play as good as I can with the time I have to practice right now. I enjoy it a lot... but there are many other aspects of life that has to be taken care of. Working on having more and more time for my piano practice since it became a passion to me. Loads of gaps though to fill in. I started with knowing almost nothing about the music... but learning... daily... one bit at the time.

    And, no, I haven't heard about Kuhlau Sonatina, but I know it now
    Thanks for suggestions. Thanks for help.

    And now, back to my practice. Still have a bit more then hour to fill with practice/fun/and music
    Take care.
    With my own students it always feels like it's a race. I accept that many of them will not continue to play the piano as they get older and life intervenes. And many people tell me that they wish they had continue playing and practicing.
    It's a race because so many people get bored within a year or two, so the student has to find something that's sufficiently gratifying and it also has to be in interest that grows with them. What is it? Well it's the combination of playing favorite pop songs standards (using your own ‘fake’ piano ccompaniments) and continuing to explore the set classical pieces that they were given at the intermediate stage. If they can enjoy both these activities I've seen them go on to continue playing, and I expect they will for decades.

    Some piano teachers will tell you that playing ‘fake' piano will eat away at your technique (because it's so easy), and that's why I asked you what your goals are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    With my own students it always feels like it's a race. I accept that many of them will not continue to play the piano as they get older and life intervenes. And many people tell me that they wish they had continue playing and practicing.
    It's a race because so many people get bored within a year or two, so the student has to find something that's sufficiently gratifying and it also has to be in interest that grows with them. What is it? Well it's the combination of playing favorite pop songs standards (using your own ‘fake’ piano ccompaniments) and continuing to explore the set classical pieces that they were given at the intermediate stage. If they can enjoy both these activities I've seen them go on to continue playing, and I expect they will for decades.

    Some piano teachers will tell you that playing ‘fake' piano will eat away at your technique (because it's so easy), and that's why I asked you what your goals are.

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    I can understand. It is sometimes hard to keep going, you want to play something you like, me aiming for fun is movie themes for my own joy, and some well known as you mentioned pop pieces to entertain family, but for my own satisfaction classical music is quite a goal... I am still discovering all composers, all possible music to play, thank to fellow enthusiasts here. I am learning. For example that Sonatinas from Muzio Clementi, or your suggestion as well from Kuhlau... I never heard them before. I did now. Thanks to my journey and you and others to advice... to expand my knowledge and knowledge of those who read those posts possibly. So, thanks

    For me it is not that I will stop pushing forward, but more finding enough time. I find quite enjoyable, well, mostly, those exercises you need to practice because once you start playing or learning new piece it comes easier and easier once you progress with them. I know that soon enough I will start playing pieces that will satisfy me more... oh I am already learning one, that Sonatina from video above

    Glad you joined spreading some knowledge.... but NOW: Back to business... It is PLAY time Join me, whoever reads it, no matter how great you might be, let's play and have some fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaro View Post
    I can understand. It is sometimes hard to keep going, you want to play something you like, me aiming for fun is movie themes for my own joy, and some well known as you mentioned pop pieces to entertain family, but for my own satisfaction classical music is quite a goal... I am still discovering all composers, all possible music to play, thank to fellow enthusiasts here. I am learning. For example that Sonatinas from Muzio Clementi, or your suggestion as well from Kuhlau... I never heard them before. I did now. Thanks to my journey and you and others to advice... to expand my knowledge and knowledge of those who read those posts possibly. So, thanks

    For me it is not that I will stop pushing forward, but more finding enough time. I find quite enjoyable, well, mostly, those exercises you need to practice because once you start playing or learning new piece it comes easier and easier once you progress with them. I know that soon enough I will start playing pieces that will satisfy me more... oh I am already learning one, that Sonatina from video above

    Glad you joined spreading some knowledge.... but NOW: Back to business... It is PLAY time Join me, whoever reads it, no matter how great you might be, let's play and have some fun
    Ok. I'm curious about what you like about the Clementi. I can think of many answers. When I was growing up my friends all had their favorite teaching pieces. That was a very different time when most households had a piano, and many kids were forced to take lessons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    Ok. I'm curious about what you like about the Clementi. I can think of many answers. When I was growing up my friends all had their favorite teaching pieces. That was a very different time when most households had a piano, and many kids were forced to take lessons.
    True. I remember when I was ca. 8 I had a chance to start learning piano, but at this time I was involved a lot in sport. And I chose that path... somehow piano came back to me 30+ years later And I enjoy it, though sometimes it is hard. Anyway, I like Clementi Sonatinas for their freshness, that is how I somehow absorb them, quite joyful, romantic a bit to me as well. From practice point of view those are quite challenging, but somehow I really like them which makes practising/playing them easier. Like you mentioned you shouldn't be bored with what you want to play quickly, I am not... at least with Sonatina Op 36 no 1 It forces me to practice more to actually be able to play it. I hope I am getting better and better with it.

    So, it is time to play! Let's. Join me now, and let's use our "TOYS" to be a bit better and maybe discover something new... it is always there waiting for us to reach for that discovery through: PLAYING. So, Let's PLAY!
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