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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    I've performed both Weber bassoon works a number of times...lots of fun - these pieces are very "bassoon-y" - like the Vivaldi bassoon concerti, they lie well for the instrument, and show off its wide variety of tonal and expressive possibilities....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
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    yes, mostly retired by now - have played professionally for 45+years, 40 as principal of one orchestra or another.

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    Bassoon is the balance of power in the woodwind section. Without it, the oboes, flutes and clarinets will have no weights at all. Good stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcnog11 View Post
    Bassoon is the balance of power in the woodwind section. Without it, the oboes, flutes and clarinets will have no weights at all. Good stuff!
    I really like Shostakovich's symphonic bassoon writing. Makes me thirsty for some good Vodka.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcnog11 View Post
    Bassoon is the balance of power in the woodwind section. Without it, the oboes, flutes and clarinets will have no weights at all. Good stuff!
    right - the woodwind choir really needs the bass sonority, and rich overtones to fill out the sound...the best woodwind sections, IMO, those of Chicago, NYPO, Cleveland, have always had a rich presence of bassoons and clarinets. this gives a full organ-like sonority to the sound, even at pianissimo dynamic level. The high voices, flute, piccolo, oboe, first clarinet, Eb flat clarinet...sit right on top, and sound very full...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    I really like Shostakovich's symphonic bassoon writing. Makes me thirsty for some good Vodka.
    Shostakovich wrote great bassoon parts - huge solos, excellent section soli...one of the best composers for bassoon...Syms 1,4,7,8,9,10, all have major bassoon solos/soli.
    of course, the earlier work - the Big Ballets - Golden Age, Bolt, and the film music, also contain lots of very rich bassoon passages..same with violin concerti.

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    The bassoon concertos of Vivaldi, J.C. Bach, Mozart and Weber are great fun to listen to. How has the bassoon become so neglected for the last two hundred years? It is such a great instrument!

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    ^^^^^
    There have been many great bassoon works composed in the 20th century.

    Two of the finest are the Hindemith and Saint-Saens bassoon sonatas.

    Gordon Jacob and Jean Françaix also composed some good bassoon concertos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arpeggio View Post
    ^^^^^
    There have been many great bassoon works composed in the 20th century.

    Two of the finest are the Hindemith and Saint-Saens bassoon sonatas.

    Gordon Jacob and Jean Françaix also composed some good bassoon concertos.
    And a good 21st century work composed for The Bassoon Brothers by Michael Daugherty is:

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    OMG thanks for posting that. I took up bassoon (played sax at the time) for about six months. Fell in love with it. IMHO it's to orchestral music what the tenor sax is to jazz...the ultimate instrument!

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    I'm not as schooled in the vaults of classical knowledge as most of you. I enjoy the quirky colorful voice of a bassoon, especially employed the way Stravinsky and Prokofiev work bassoon into their ballets and orchestral works. I imagine Grandfather, I visulize animals frolicking in a bassoon voice.


    Could you wonderful people recommend bassoon used in Symphonies and Orchestral Works in the way I described?

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    Try Respighi's Brazilian Impressions. In the second movement the bassoons are used to depict snakes.

    Want a drunk Scotsman? Try the second movement of Arnolds Scottish Dances.

    And for the contrabassoon there is the "Beauty and the Beast" movement from Ravel's Mother Goose Suite.
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    Does anyone here play the bassoon? I am thinking of learning, but I note there are a few different 'models' i guess 'fingering methods'. Is there a popular model I could look out for (to hire / buy)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymoy View Post
    Does anyone here play the bassoon? I am thinking of learning, but I note there are a few different 'models' i guess 'fingering methods'. Is there a popular model I could look out for (to hire / buy)?
    Yes, Heck148. Great bassoonist. He shows up periodically and might be available for questions. Tell him you like Arturo Toscanini and Fritz Reiner as an intro.
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    All modern bassoons, except the French, use the same fingering system developed by Heckle.

    Bassoons unfortunantly are very expensive. The best bassoon is probably a Heckle and can cost up to $40,000.

    The best economical bassoon I have ever played is a Schrieber. A student model can still run between $6000 and $7000. If you have a bassoonist who can check out the horn, you might be able to pick up a used one for $3000 to $4000. The following vendors sell reasonable second hand instruments:

    Forrest Music: https://www.forrestsmusic.com/index.htm

    Woodwind & Brasswind: https://www.wwbw.com/

    They have a page for student models. It is under woodwinds, bassoons. The only student models out of the ones they offer I would consider are the Foxes. I have a backup Fox that I use that I picked up second hand for $3000. I use it for outdoor gigs.

    Charles Double Reeds sell some excellent second hand horns. They are listed under "Instruments and Bocals" tab. They are still expensive: https://www.charlesmusic.com/index.html

    Wichita Band Instruments: I have never purchased anything from them but I have friends who have and they swear by them: http://www.wichitaband.com/

    Unless you really know what you are doing I would be weary of buying anything off of Ebay.

    I should warn you. I have studied and played on all of the woodwind instruments and in my experience the bassoon is the most difficult. I think it is harder than the oboe. I also play the bass clarinet in a band and it is a breeze compared to the bassoon.
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