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Thread: Does 'If I had words' prove that pop and classical are essentially the same?

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    Perhaps it would have been more accurate if I had said that certain classical melodies translate well when arranged as pop songs and that the more complex, contrapuntal and developmental elements of classical music can be found in the progressive rock genre.

    Personally speaking, I haven't heard any rock/pop etc songs that compare with my favourite classical pieces, but they're not far behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    The only thing the song has in common with classical music is a tune.
    Not forgetting the harmony.

    The songs are not just a tune but the things they add to the (classical) tune - rhythm, swing - are not hallmarks of classical music.
    Okay, I'm not disagreeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardBast View Post
    No. Don't be ridiculous. The songs have almost nothing to do with the works they rip off. The overall structures are missing. The counterpoint and countermelodies are missing. Three quarters of the principal melodies are missing.The rhythms are distorted, the harmonies are dumbed down. The Rachmaninoff has thematic links to other movements, including development of material from the introduction to the first movement. All of this is missing. That you are asking this question makes me wonder if you actually know the classical works you're citing.
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    I've not noticed the thematic links you speak of. Could you elaborate?

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    Is it true that members are somewhat aggrieved that whilst popular music enjoys sumptuous feasts in the banquet hall, classical music starves on meagre scraps outside in the cold?

    If so, I can relate to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    The songs are not just a tune but the things they add to the (classical) tune - rhythm, swing - are not hallmarks of classical music.
    Rhythm is not a hallmark of classical?

    I beg to differ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Rhythm is not a hallmark of classical?

    I beg to differ.
    I think Enthusiast is defining 'rhythm' as what one would hear a from traditional rock/pop drum kit. I assumed that anyway.
    Last edited by janxharris; May-17-2019 at 11:32.

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