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    Anybody heard The Shadows of Time? I highly recommend it. The score is for a large orchestra (triple wind) and children's choir and has his typical sensuous, close spaced clusters scored with wonderful French delicacy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Thanks for that. I haven’t given his music a fair shot yet, but I’ll put that box set on my radar. I’m a big fan of Chick Corea. I saw his band Return to Forever maybe 5 years ago (or more) and he tore it up on the keys. Did not know he was into Dutilleux, makes sense that he is a student of classical music though.
    These two are also very fine.




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    Nice! I didn’t realize his music was so widely recorded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Nice! I didn’t realize his music was so widely recorded.
    These are the ones I have.

    He has a small oeuvre,very critical about his work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
    What I dislike is the randomness of Dutilleux's music. It just seems to lack any kind of melody and the harmonies aren't to my liking.
    Ohh, that sounds exciting!
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    Been getting into Dutilleux a bit lately, after picking up one of the Chandos CDs with Yan Pascal Tortelier. I think his music is quite brilliant, especially the violin concerto "L'arbre des songes", which is the first work of his I heard. Truly a unique spirit in French music – I know he is frequently compared to Debussy, but I think the composer closest to being a kindred spirit to him is Witold Lutoslawski. They have quite a bit in common, but at the same time are completely different from one another – two sides to the same coin?

    He is one of few French symphonists of his century, and both symphonies are good, especially the first. Dutilleux's first symphony reminds me a lot of Lutoslawski's first.

    Is anyone listening to Dutilleux lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    He is one of few French symphonists of his century, and both symphonies are good, especially the first. Dutilleux's first symphony reminds me a lot of Lutoslawski's first.
    They were good friends at the very least. I've always felt a connection between the two, but can't really put the reason for that into words. Maybe there's something similar in the shimmering orchestral textures they were both so wonderfully able to create? Certainly both shined most brightly in the world of orchestral music, as wonderful as their output for smaller ensembles was.

    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Is anyone listening to Dutilleux lately?
    Yes, all the time. Most recently I listened to the Mystère de l'instant, a short but strangely evocative work, and the absolutely classic Tout un monde lointain... for cello and orchestra, which is my favourite cello concerto ever written!

    I'm currently feeling an intense craving to revisit Correspondances and Le temps l'horloge, both for soprano and orchestra. Soon, soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janspe View Post
    the absolutely classic Tout un monde lointain... for cello and orchestra, which is my favourite cello concerto ever written!
    Thanks for saying that, I'm now going to order the CD with Mstislav Rostropovich performing that along with Lutoslawski's cello concerto, on good faith. You're right that both shine the brightest in orchestral music. Lutoslawski wrote a great string quartet and Dutilleux also wrote a quartet that I haven't heard (though I would like to), but they both dedicated the bulk of their careers to orchestral music. Shimmering textures is right.

    I would like a mod to edit the title of this thread to take out the prejudicial bent from the OP, so this can be a proper Guestbook thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post

    I would like a mod to edit the title of this thread to take out the prejudicial bent from the OP, so this can be a proper Guestbook thread.
    Ha! The OP was banned several years ago. He seemed to have a hard time with fairly accessible music, and acted as though it was the composer's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Ha! The OP was banned several years ago. He seemed to have a hard time with fairly accessible music, and acted as though it was the composer's fault.
    You mean he was too avant-garde for his own good?

    I ordered the 'Orchestral, Piano, & Chamber Works' 5-CD on Erato. It was dirt cheap, $6.41 with free shipping. I like the French aesthetic which someguy mentioned in post #2, of 'pure sonority.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    You mean he was too avant-garde for his own good?

    I ordered the 'Orchestral, Piano, & Chamber Works' 5-CD on Erato. It was dirt cheap, $6.41 with free shipping. I like the French aesthetic which someguy mentioned in post #2, of 'pure sonority.'
    It appears that he found Dutilleux too avant-garde. Funny, though, he is also a member on another forum which I will not name, and it appears he is now a die-hard Dutilleux fan. A lot can change in 10 years, I guess!

    Do report on that box set Millionrainbows. I may get the 7CD version, the Dutilleux Centenary retrospective, on Erato. It's going for $16 on Amazon, what a steal. I believe it contains everything he wrote.

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    I have the 5 CD Virgin box, and the 4 CD Erato set, but I'd get the 7 disc set if I was starting out. I guess it depends on the performers you prefer for the piano pieces or the symphonies. Actually, I never listen to the Symphonies in the boxes because I like the Chandos CD by Tortelier.

    I miss some guy. He was very open minded about all kinds of music and quite knowledgeable. And I know he left because of some of the reactionary attitudes of some members, and some of the prudish moderating at this forum. But some of the those members have dropped by the wayside, thankfully. Dutilleux doesn't sound Avant garde at all to my ears but obviously it depends on you're musical tastes.
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    I would call Dutilleux quite avant-garde in his own way. He may not have been pushing the limits of serial harmony or electronic sound manipulation à la Boulez but he was certainly a trailblazer. No one else was making music like this. Of course, I guess it depends how you define "avant-garde".

    Does Dutilleux's music count as atonal? I reckon it probably is, but it sounds so harmonious to my ears. Perhaps I'm just that used to the mid-20th-century sound world. Much Boulez doesn't even strike me as dissonant anymore.

    I'm listening to the Tortelier symphonies disc now.



    The second symphony, "Le double". Something of a modern concerto grosso, fascinating piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    It appears that he found Dutilleux too avant-garde. Funny, though, he is also a member on another forum which I will not name, and it appears he is now a die-hard Dutilleux fan. A lot can change in 10 years, I guess!

    Do report on that box set Millionrainbows. I may get the 7CD version, the Dutilleux Centenary retrospective, on Erato. It's going for $16 on Amazon, what a steal. I believe it contains everything he wrote.
    Yeah, I had that in my cart and almost bought it, then decided to get a window air-conditioner brace instead. So it's got everything? That is tempting, and at $16, about $2.20 per disc.

    @starthrower, yes, I miss someguy, too. His real name was Michael Karman, and he had a web magazine devoted to electro-acoustic music, and went to Europe to festivals and to interview composers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Yeah, I had that in my cart and almost bought it, then decided to get a window air-conditioner brace instead. So it's got everything? That is tempting, and at $16, about $2.20 per disc.

    @starthrower, yes, I miss someguy, too. His real name was Michael Karman, and he had a web magazine devoted to electro-acoustic music, and went to Europe to festivals and to interview composers.
    I'm not sure if it's everything, but that's got to be a good chunk of it. How many major works did he leave behind, anyway, maybe a dozen?

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