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    Default What are we to expect of Classical music in the future?

    Let's go forward to, say, the year 2100; how could Classical music look that far into the future? Can we predict how 22nd century composition will sound like? And what new things in Classical music we can expect to gain dominance till the end of the century? None of us are prophets, be as we all know history repeated itself, so we at least make predictions that may be half-right; any opinion(s)?

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    Increased use of microtonality, alternate tunings & temperaments.
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    I can't immediately think of anything more composition wise apart from MR's suggestions above -maybe even more integration with synths, or even new hybrid acoustic/electronic instruments. But I bet production and recording is going to be incredible compared to today. How about dimensional recording - the listener can position themselves anywhere within the recording spaces, including within the orchestra. Holographic playback, virtual reality, all of these will be available. What about conducting your own performance - even today one can stretch audio and not lose much quality. One could imagine multiple takes at different tempos that could be matched up to create ones own interpretations in real time.....just a few mad musings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeh375 View Post
    I can't immediately think of anything more composition wise apart from MR's suggestions above -maybe even more integration with synths, or even new hybrid acoustic/electronic instruments. But I bet production and recording is going to be incredible compared to today. How about dimensional recording - the listener can position themselves anywhere within the recording spaces, including within the orchestra. Holographic playback, virtual reality, all of these will be available. What about conducting your own performance - even today one can stretch audio and not lose much quality. One could imagine multiple takes at different tempos that could be matched up to create ones own interpretations in real time.....just a few mad musings.
    So Classical music will just go in the same futuristic route as anything else? Sounds promising!

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    I hope we can agree to call it "art music"! Maybe you can get an app for it...

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    I predict that since the popularity of Modern and Postmodern Classical Music is already going down noticeably while the popularity of Romantic, Classical, and Baroque era music has stayed stable, that we will have a revival era where we go back to one of those 3 popular eras. Most likely era to go back to? I think that would be the Classical era, the times of Mozart and Haydn.

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    I do hope not Caters.... If anything, everyone on the planet will consider themselves a composer if todays trends continue. Of course, there are composers and then there are Composers.
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    I honestly hope we get a revival of a previous era because I think our classical music has gone too far to where you can't even recognize that it is classical music due to increased dissonance, dissonance just for the point of having dissonance and not actually resolving it, going completely atonal, and recently adding quarter tones which makes accidentals way more complicated(like there is an accidental that looks a flat attached to its mirror image, yeah, that is a quarter tone accidental) and adds even more to the dissonance and much less to the consonance in comparison.

    All of these just sound awful to my ears(except a few cases of atonality such as Mars by Gustav Holst which is notated as if in C major but doesn't really have a clear tonic and some quarter tones but most quarter tones just sound awful to me). And with the decreasing popularity of classical music as a whole, if this revival era does not come soon, we might be the last generation to listen to orchestral music. That is much more awful than everybody considering themselves a composer.

    And like I said, this decrease in popularity is mainly due to Modern and Postmodern classical music, not Romantic, Classical, Baroque, or even Rennaisance eras. So if we went back to the styles of Mozart and Haydn, we would not be the last generation to listen to orchestral music, nor would classical music die(which is the worst thing that could happen).

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    I hope and imagine they'll make interesting use of virtual reality technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caters View Post
    I honestly hope we get a revival of a previous era because I think our classical music has gone too far to where you can't even recognize that it is classical music due to increased dissonance, dissonance just for the point of having dissonance and not actually resolving it, going completely atonal, and recently adding quarter tones which makes accidentals way more complicated(like there is an accidental that looks a flat attached to its mirror image, yeah, that is a quarter tone accidental) and adds even more to the dissonance and much less to the consonance in comparison.

    All of these just sound awful to my ears(except a few cases of atonality such as Mars by Gustav Holst which is notated as if in C major but doesn't really have a clear tonic and some quarter tones but most quarter tones just sound awful to me). And with the decreasing popularity of classical music as a whole, if this revival era does not come soon, we might be the last generation to listen to orchestral music. That is much more awful than everybody considering themselves a composer.

    And like I said, this decrease in popularity is mainly due to Modern and Postmodern classical music, not Romantic, Classical, Baroque, or even Rennaisance eras. So if we went back to the styles of Mozart and Haydn, we would not be the last generation to listen to orchestral music, nor would classical music die(which is the worst thing that could happen).
    I think you got a bit too pessimistic, I mean, Vivaldi was almost completely forgotten after hid death, till the Baroque revival in the 20th century; it should be expected to see a past era seeing a revival as well, which would also raise the question of what unpopular composers will be rediscovered in the future? Besides, your statement that it's the "new" Classical music that is losing audience only proves that Classical music will never die-if it would just because it's "old", then we would expect to see the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjetil Heggelund View Post
    I hope we can agree to call it "art music"! Maybe you can get an app for it...
    Maybe the consensus here is that Classical music doesn't need to progress, it's just fine the way it is, and the OP is just "bait" to draw out modernists and progressives for criticism and sarcastic comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Maybe the consensus here is that Classical music doesn't need to progress, it's just fine the way it is...……………..
    Sad and probably true MR, but definitely not right. Stagnation in a form of regression would be a killer.

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    I imagine the orchestras will be very much smaller and more of them . New compositions will strive to conserve the glory and likely exceed it . No need to call it austerity . Art is a good friend to consciousness .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tikoo Tuba View Post
    .........Art is a good friend to consciousness .
    Unless you try and do it yourself Tikoo (do you?), it drives me mad sometimes...
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