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    I'm going to listen to it in a concert next month; this would be the first time I'm listening to this, what to expect?
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    Use the search option - Verdi Requiem.
    Also in full versions on You Tube.
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    Expect some beauty and drama Who will you hear doing this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david johnson View Post
    Expect some beauty and drama Who will you hear doing this?
    https://www.ipo.co.il/wp-content/upl...נגלית.pdf
    (July 10th)
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    I haven't heard the whole thing, but it's famous for being somewhat operatic for a Requiem (believe it or not). Dramatic, less than 100% solemn and religious. Verdi was not a religious man himself. I think you'll have a great time at the concert. Write back how you like it afterwards.

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    Quite operatic for sacred choral, indeed, and also quite long -- more than 80 minutes in most performances. It's likely your mind may wonder a bit in the middle portions that come after the powerful Dies irae section near the beginning. The ending has always been anticlimactic for me, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I haven't heard the whole thing, but it's famous for being somewhat operatic for a Requiem (believe it or not). Dramatic, less than 100% solemn and religious. Verdi was not a religious man himself. I think you'll have a great time at the concert. Write back how you like it afterwards.
    My mother will take me to the concert as a birthday gift, it's three days after (July 10th, my birthday is on July 7th), but it isn't a reason to be rush and it isn't the only present I'm getting this year; I do hope my grandfather would join us...

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    Verdi Requiem is my favorite Requiem setting. But then, I'm a former opera singer. This is over-the-top operatic. I guess my favorite sections are the "Tuba mirum," set for four trumpets (often two in the wings or back of the hall) plus lots of other brass; the famous "Ingemisco" tenor solo and the opening "Kyrie eleison" entrance, also for tenor then joined by the other three soloists; the part in B-flat minor for lyric soprano singing in the high register with muted choral accompaniment singing "Requiem aeternam dona eis Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis" (Eternal rest give them Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them); and the concluding C-minor fugue "Libera me, Domine, de morte aeterna, in die illa tremenda" which contains one of the most unlikely fugue subjects IMHO ever, yet nonetheless rather successfully set with solo soprano soaring atop.

    Favorite performance: Leontyne Price (young), soprano; Rosalind Elias, mezzo; Jussi Björling, tenor; and Giorgio Tozzi, bass, with Fritz Reiner conducting the Wiener Philharmoniker. Close second is the version with Price, Fiorenza Cossotto, Pavarotti (young, and making a little metrical error in the "Ingemisco" at "parce deus" but mostly brilliant, of course), and Nicolai Ghiaurov, conducted by Karajan with the La Scala Orchestra and Chorus (and the chorus master is Roberto Benaglio, under whom I sang for a while at Dallas Opera, so I know he whipped those Italians into good choral fit!). There is a wonderful DVD of this performance from 1967.

    Verdi may not have been a religious man in the strict sense (I really don't know), but he set this for the Requiem Mass of his friend, the great Italian patriot Alessandro Manzoni, and it is quite convincing as a plea for salvation and eternal rest in that way.

    My least favorite bit in the whole piece is the "Sanctus" setting, a double fugue (two subjects) for double chorus. It's pretty, it's clever, it's admirably constructed, but it feels a bit like an academic exercise Verdi could have turned in to the music conservatory.

    In general I love the Offertory, set just for the soloists and orchestra. Oh, I just pretty much like the whole thing! There are no longueurs in it to me ... but then, I think I have performed it six or seven times, including singing the tenor solos (when I was very young) and the bass solos when I was older ... and I know every note of it like the back of my hand.

    Let us know your impressions of it! I see you have long since attended the concert and not yet replied.

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    Some pretty fiery music.

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