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    I'm partial to Lisa della Casa/Böhm/Decca her. I love it. It's a very distinct take on these great songs. Definitely the opposite of Schwarzkopf/Szell/EMI, which I got as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vincula View Post
    I'm partial to Lisa della Casa/Böhm/Decca her. I love it. It's a very distinct take on these great songs. Definitely the opposite of Schwarzkopf/Szell/EMI, which I got as well.

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    My problem with this version is the opposite problem I have with the Norman/Masur. I find Böhm's speeds too fast. I'm a bit like Goldilocks. Della Casa/Böhm is too fast, Norman/Masur too slow, but Schwarzkopf/Szell is just right .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    My problem with this version is the opposite problem I have with the Norman/Masur. I find Böhm's speeds too fast. I'm a bit like Goldilocks. Della Casa/Böhm is too fast, Norman/Masur too slow, but Schwarzkopf/Szell is just right .
    You're right - the tempi aren't the problem with Schwarzkopf/Szell...

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    I like these ones:
    Strauss - Last Four Songs - Jessye Norman-Kurt Masur.jpg
    Karajan 70s - 19 - Strauss - Also Sprach Zarathustra.jpg
    Karajan 80s - 61 - Strauss - Four Last Songs.jpg

    Actor Jeremy Brett turned me onto the Norman recording during his Desert Island Discs years ago and it's still the one I reach for most, but I enjoy both of Karajan's recordings as well, however; I'm far from a connoisseur of the Last Four Songs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    You're right - the tempi aren't the problem with Schwarzkopf/Szell...
    Exactly. There isn't a problem with the Schwarzkopf/Szell. It's perfect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    Exactly. There isn't a problem with the Schwarzkopf/Szell. It's perfect
    Except for the Dame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VitellioScarpia View Post
    Except for the Dame...
    I had a feeling this would be something else we disagreed on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    I had a feeling this would be something else we disagreed on
    Not too many people are lukewarm on the subject of Madame Schwarzkopf...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Not too many people are lukewarm on the subject of Madame Schwarzkopf...
    I don’t personally understand why she would be so polarizing. I’ve heard some people say she values beauty of voice over depth of interpretation, or is too “polished.” I don’t hear that though. I’d be curious to know the rationale behind the dislike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    I had a feeling this would be something else we disagreed on
    Well, let's say that Ms. Schwarzkopf is not my ideal as an artist but I am happy that she brings you much meaning. Yet, there's so much else that we agree upon.

    P.S.: I am flattered that you anticipated this difference between us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    I don’t personally understand why she would be so polarizing. I’ve heard some people say she values beauty of voice over depth of interpretation, or is too “polished.” I don’t hear that though. I’d be curious to know the rationale behind the dislike.
    Using "polished" is a nice way of putting it... Do you really want to provoke a food fight here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VitellioScarpia View Post
    Using "polished" is a nice way of putting it... Do you really want to provoke a food fight here?
    Don't look at me - I've said my piece about her several times, and no one needs to read it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VitellioScarpia View Post
    Using "polished" is a nice way of putting it... Do you really want to provoke a food fight here?
    Oops, sorry...I forgot what happens when certain singers are brought up in the opera world. But I really am genuinely curious...I suppose I’ll go see if there’s any old threads I can read opinions on rather than bringing it up here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Don't look at me - I've said my piece about her several times, and no one needs to read it again.
    Can you point me to where have you said your piece. I have the feeling that I will enjoy the readings...

    P.S.: I know that you were setting me up with your taunt. So, don't try the ingenue card with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    Oops, sorry...I forgot what happens when certain singers are brought up in the opera world. But I really am genuinely curious...I suppose I’ll go see if there’s any old threads I can read opinions on rather than bringing it up here.
    In my case it is not just because it is opera, I have passionate feelings for instrumentalists and conductors also. I am very versatile in my likes and dislikes.

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