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    Yes but from comments faintly recalled, Berlioz's Symphonic fantastique , was ~~heavily influended ~ by Beethoven..at least from faint memory,,,,I've only hrard bits of that very famous work,,perhaps its time to pay it a short visit.
    Yet even if Chopin had this dis of Beethoven,,,subconsciously,,was something there,,,behind his writing desk,,,,was Beethoven's music going through his mind while writing?
    Was Beethoven's spirit in the air at that time Chopin was writing?

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    OK now I know what you are saying,,,

    ~~Beethoven did not have the ~~patent~~ on solo piano, and or/orchestra...
    Beethoven was not the~~ Be all End all~~ of the classical sound.


    Hummm, not sure,.
    He broke from Mozart's influence.
    His music was the most powerful at the time....
    hummm, I'd say Beethoven was the source of all,,well maybe not...hummm not sure.
    I'll let others chime in here,,as I am not sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubens View Post
    The slow mvt of the op 106 is Beethoven at his most chopinesque.
    That seemingly endless slog through an episode of clinical depression? Chopin would have blown his brains out!
    Last edited by KenOC; Jun-28-2019 at 03:41.


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    The cadenza of moonlight 3rd movement was directly copied in fantasy impromptu, which could be the reason why Chopin did not want to publish the piece. And there was some analysis comparing the first movement of Op 111 to Revolutionary, not all but sections. I have no source for this, though.

    According to The Changing Image of Beethoven: A Study in Mythmaking (by Alessandra Comini), Chopin admired/ taught Op 22 and Moonlight Sonata to his students. By the way, this book is fun to read. One revelation I found from the book was that Chopin called Fidelio a masterpiece, in spite of his ambivalent feeling towards Beethoven.

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