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    We find this remarkable statement in post #62 of this thread: "It's all a matter of personal taste".

    Let us explore why this statement is incorrect.

    It is clear that the notion of 'personal taste' contains the notion of 'a person'. For each 'person' it seems the question 'Who am I?' is fundamental. Many would state in response to the question 'Who am I?': "I am my body." It seems to me it is from this incorrect identification of Self with Body that one would make the statement "It's all a matter of personal taste".

    The incorrect argument would proceed somewhat like this:

    0. Self-inquiry is fundamental to learning and happiness.
    1. Music (and the other arts) are a part of self-inquiry.
    2. I observe that some music seems more honest and deep.
    3. Who am I?
    4. I am my body.
    5. My body contains my brain.
    6. Music is interpreted in the brain.
    7. My body is only one of many.
    8. Thus, "it's all a matter of personal taste."

    Suppose we begin with statement 0,1,2,3 and remove the incorrect statement 4, then it seems we proceed somewhat like this:

    0. Self-inquiry is fundamental to learning and happiness.
    1. Music (and the other arts) are a part of self-inquiry.
    2. I observe that some music seems more honest and deep.
    3. Who am I?
    4. I observe that some music seems more honest and deep.
    5. Who am I?
    6. I observe that some music seems more honest and deep.
    7. Who am I?
    ...

    The notion of 'person' seems ultimately impossible to grasp, and the notion of 'person' seems so closely related to the notion of Art; thus we need to abandon the idea that artistic judgments are ultimately subjective (ie located within the person).

    Now I can sketch a resulting theory of artistic judgment: we must observe more closely ourselves and the arts may aid in this inquiry. Though we must allow to others the freedom to explore for themselves in pursuit of their own honesty we cannot house the pursuit of honesty within the body and the brain. To preserve the fundamental status of the question 'Who am I?' in educational pursuits this pursuit of honesty, which provides the meaning of the being of the world, must be seen as non-subjective .
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    I don't follow you at all. Maybe you are saying something very simple in a very complicated way.

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    I, too, am lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fliege View Post
    I don't follow you at all. Maybe you are saying something very simple in a very complicated way.
    In the process of self-inquiry the composer writes music.
    In the process of self-inquiry the performer plays music.
    In the process of self-inquiry the listener hears music.

    We cannot ascribe any notions of self to the 'writer', 'player', 'hearer' unless we hold that self-inquiry occurs within the body. I disagree that self-inquiry occurs within the body. Since we cannot ascribe any notions of self to the 'writer', 'player', 'hearer' we cannot make the statement "it's all a matter of personal taste".

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    Whether or not one believes this reasoning is a matter of personal taste.
    Allüberall und ewig blauen licht die Fernen! Ewig ... ewig ...

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    Worst post ever. Im outta here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven14 View Post
    In the process of self-inquiry the composer writes music.
    In the process of self-inquiry the performer plays music.
    In the process of self-inquiry the listener hears music.

    We cannot ascribe any notions of self to the 'writer', 'player', 'hearer' unless we hold that self-inquiry occurs within the body. I disagree that self-inquiry occurs within the body. Since we cannot ascribe any notions of self to the 'writer', 'player', 'hearer' we cannot make the statement "it's all a matter of personal taste".
    I'm still nonplussed Beethoven14.

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    What has self-inquiry (whatever that is) got to do with our taste in music? Isn't our taste most often something unconscious? And when it isn't - when, for example, it results from trying to get to know a piece - it still seems outside of our control and not related to the question "who am I?". I suppose, though, that we might ask questions like that of ourselves (I don't but maybe some people do) in response to our feeling of liking or hating a piece of music. This seems obvious but maybe I also am misunderstanding the OP.

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    This looks like a philosophical enquiry into aspects of consciousness and its relationship to personal tastes.

    Im afraid I have nothing useful to add.

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    So we are all waiting (as subjects) to receive the true self of every piece of music (objects) in order to reach te final goal namely to collectively receive the objective truth of every piece of music (artwork or any object)?

    How can that happen since the position of every single subject towards any given object is different?

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    Presumably the numbered statements are meant to indicate the logical steps in an argument. That’s good, but then you need to play by the rules of logic. You’ve many undefined terms, which are abhorrent in logic. Similarly, with your music on “person.” Person has been very well-defined by many philosophers and thinkers. I’d suggest doing a cursory search on JSTOR or another academic search engine and see what you find.

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    Does all of this have anything to do with Heidegger's 'Dasein' concept?
    Because I have never understood that, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECraigR View Post
    Presumably the numbered statements are meant to indicate the logical steps in an argument. That’s good, but then you need to play by the rules of logic. You’ve many undefined terms, which are abhorrent in logic. Similarly, with your music on “person.” Person has been very well-defined by many philosophers and thinkers. I’d suggest doing a cursory search on JSTOR or another academic search engine and see what you find.
    Found the philosophy degree holder!

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    When I was back there in seminary school, there was a person there who put forth the proposition that music is about self-inquiry. … Music is about self inquiry. … Music is about self-inquiry.

    MUSIC IS NOT ABOUT SELF INQUIRY!

    1. Who am I?
    2. Someone who believes musical works are truth propositions.
    3. Who am I?
    4. Someone who believes music is a lens for inspecting my navel.
    5. Who am I?
    6. Someone with very strange ideas about logical arguments.
    Last edited by EdwardBast; Jul-19-2019 at 16:19.

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    This topic makes a lot of sense.
    when we read and study our Nietzsche, Jung, Plato, history, lots of history, like how the church and her authorities have waged war on the so called heretics during the years 900-1700, fascinating,,I have like 30 books on the subjectmost not read yet, so as we read our books, and years roll on, we have these experiences, such as Katrina filling our homes with 12 feet of flood waters, as winds whip 100++ around our home for 24 hrs , nonstop, , then some years later we go through the BP Horizon oil disaster and we go to grand isle where Obama's helicopter will not make a pass over my head as I wait patiently 30,40 minutes for his heli to return from his survey going westward along the coast,,,,,,he sees me looking up, in grave consternation, eyes with condemnation, and the copter stops, and lands off at the coast guard base near by,,,and many other experiences we go through,,all of us have these types of experiences.
    We are somehow altered inside.
    It stands to reason, as these experiences change our outlook, our musical taste also alters.
    Nothing new under the sun.

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