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    Hi, perhaps im notating title incorrectly.. but, im working on a progression that sounds very baroque.. E, Am, Dm.. ive established that i believe im in the key of A harmonic minor.. however, i found that throwing in a Gmajor has a really nice sound to it, esp when i switch from Dm to G to E, after kind of setting the palate with the naturally occurring harmonic minor chords.. that progression sounds really beautiful to me. when i go from Dm to Gmaj and finally hit the Emaj, it sounds like medieval peasant pushing a cart full of straw.. What is happening here, technically, with the Gmaj? and what kind of rabbit holes does this open up/ where could i go from here, did i switch keys, or something? ?

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    VII is used in minor keys, its not a borrowed chord which would be a chord like IV, taken from a major tonality. The minor tonality includes both the natural VII and the raised vii dim chords

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    so i can basically think of it as being in A minor and interchange between all of the chords in A minor / A harmonic minor freely?

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    If you want a true Medieval sound have the G maj (bVII) move to i (A minor) when coming to a point of stopping (IOW when you cadence)
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnfkingmatrix View Post
    so i can basically think of it as being in A minor and interchange between all of the chords in A minor / A harmonic minor freely?
    Yes, that is standard common practice

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnfkingmatrix View Post
    so i can basically think of it as being in A minor and interchange between all of the chords in A minor / A harmonic minor freely?
    Yes. Or, stated another way, all of the chords of C major are available.

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    What do you mean, "in" harmonic minor? Somebody else here told me that scales don't determine tonality, and so don't you forget it!

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