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    Sabbath were my first love and my first big rock gig (with Van Halen supporting} in 78. I liked Zeppelin a lot too but they were more into folk and not a metal band. That downtuned heaviness made Sabbath compelling for me. The first 6 albums are classics. They weren't Sabbath with Dio, they just sounded like heavy Rainbow. I remember the first time I heard the song Black Sabbath I nearly shat myself cos I'd never heard anything like that before. BTW, Art Rock, I was a huge Uriah Heep fan back in the day (July Morning is a top choon).


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    Grand Funk Railroad was neither grand, funky or a railroad. Please discuss
    That just made my morning. Lol.
    Last edited by Merl; Jul-30-2019 at 08:08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    Sabbath were my first love and my first big rock gig (with Van Halen supporting} in 78. I liked Zeppelin a lot too but they were more into folk and not a metal band. That downtuned heaviness made Sabbath compelling for me. The first 6 albums are classics. They weren't Sabbath with Dio, they just sounded like heavy Rainbow. I remember the first time I heard the song Black Sabbath I nearly shat myself cos I'd never heard anything like that before. BTW, Art Rock, I was a huge Uriah Heep fan back in the day (July Morning is a top choon).
    although we appear to often agree regarding many aspects of music the question concerning the relative merits of these two bands will remain a 'bone of contention'.....

    and as for Heep!
    Last edited by jim prideaux; Jul-30-2019 at 08:09.
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    Early Grand Funk was good. Unfortunately they got too commercial which we all know is not good. Also the addition of an organ did not seem to fit.

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    I always thought Deep Purple were up there with Sabbath and Zeppelin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjetil Heggelund View Post
    I always thought Deep Purple were up there with Sabbath and Zeppelin.

    Seemed to me growing up in the late 70s that every party would be accompanied by a copy of Led Zep IV, Deep Purple's 'Made in Japan' and (if it was my party) Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. As for you, Jim, I am frankly disappointed that you do not understand Sabbath's place at the top of the metal pile. However you are a Maccem so maybe you don't see brilliance when it's staring you in the face. You probably think Jack Rodwell was the new Messi. (*Merl sits back and waits for Jim to explode)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    Seemed to me growing up in the late 70s that every party would be accompanied by a copy of Led Zep IV, Deep Purple's 'Made in Japan' and (if it was my party) Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. As for you, Jim, I am frankly disappointed that you do not understand Sabbath's place at the top of the metal pile. However you are a Maccem so maybe you don't see brilliance when it's staring you in the face. You probably think Jack Rodwell was the new Messi. (*Merl sits back and waits for Jim to explode)
    that comment re 'Rodders' is just not funny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim prideaux View Post
    that comment re 'Rodders' is just not funny!
    It is for us City fans. We sold him for £10m. Be lucky to get 50p for him now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haydnguy View Post
    Early Grand Funk was good. Unfortunately they got too commercial which we all know is not good. Also the addition of an organ did not seem to fit.
    I Want Freedom and Rock 'n' Roll Soul are two notable exceptions. I could initially handle Grand Funk's change in direction but their last three albums (All the Girls in the World Beware, Born to Die and Good Singin', Good Playin') were pretty weak.

    In their early period Grand Funk had a strange dynamic which included scratchy 'garagey' guitar, growling bass and white soul vocals. It wasn't all meat-headed noise back then either - the below track from late 1971 sounds to these ears like the Red Hot Chili Peppers 15 years before time.

    '...a violator of his word, a libertine over head and ears in debt and disgrace, a despiser of domestic ties, the companion of gamblers and demireps, a man who has just closed half a century without a single claim on the gratitude of his country or the respect of posterity...' - Leigh Hunt on the Prince Regent (later George IV).

    ὃν οἱ θεοὶ φιλοῦσιν ἀποθνῄσκει νέος [Those whom the gods love die young] - Menander

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    I like 'Good Singin Good Playin'. Zappa's solo on 'out to get you' is great and Crossfire is a great song. I agree on 'All the Girls' and 'Born to Die' though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    It is for us City fans. We sold him for £10m. Be lucky to get 50p for him now.
    I believe Tony Mowbray thinks rather well of him at Blackburn (see where I have ended up Merl-defending the indefensible!)

    with regard to the initial question. I have never been a 'fan' of metal in anyway and do not consider Zeppelin to be a metal band. Have recently revisited certain tracks that I personally enjoy including...…

    The Rover (one of the great intros)/House of the Holy/Nightflight/Wanton Song.....all from PG
    Song remains the same/Dancing Days/Over the Hills and far away.....all from HotH
    Celebration Day/'side 2' of volume 3.....

    the above represent why Zeppelin for me will always be a great 'rock band'
    'so where are the strong, who are the trusted and where is the harmony, sweet harmony?'
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    If my choices are only the two in the thread start I HAVE to vote for BS - for the simple reason that as far as I know, they wrote their own tunes. The biggest rip off in the history of rock and roll is Led Zeppelin I. Plant and Page have their lawyer on speed dial every time they release "new" music.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    I like 'Good Singin Good Playin'. Zappa's solo on 'out to get you' is great and Crossfire is a great song. I agree on 'All the Girls' and 'Born to Die' though.
    I can meet you halfway and say it's the best of the three - my favourite track is probably 1976. Grand Funk were probably just burnt out by then - one thing they couldn't be knocked for was their work rate (eleven studio albums, two live albums and countless gigs over a period of seven years).
    '...a violator of his word, a libertine over head and ears in debt and disgrace, a despiser of domestic ties, the companion of gamblers and demireps, a man who has just closed half a century without a single claim on the gratitude of his country or the respect of posterity...' - Leigh Hunt on the Prince Regent (later George IV).

    ὃν οἱ θεοὶ φιλοῦσιν ἀποθνῄσκει νέος [Those whom the gods love die young] - Menander

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim prideaux View Post
    I believe Tony Mowbray thinks rather well of him at Blackburn (see where I have ended up Merl-defending the indefensible!)

    with regard to the initial question. I have never been a 'fan' of metal in anyway and do not consider Zeppelin to be a metal band. Have recently revisited certain tracks that I personally enjoy including...…

    The Rover (one of the great intros)/House of the Holy/Nightflight/Wanton Song.....all from PG
    Song remains the same/Dancing Days/Over the Hills and far away.....all Fromm HotH
    Celebration Day/'side 2' of volume 3.....

    the above represent why Zeppelin for me will always be a great 'rock band'
    Agreed. Metal is to Led Zeppelin as Lead is to Gold. And one senses, in the music itself, the delight that the music-makers of Zeppelin took in its creation.

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    Here is my hot take: I like Zeppelin, a lot. That being said, the mythology that has arisen around them is ridiculous, and I feel they are greatly overrated.
    Last edited by DrMike; Jul-30-2019 at 14:51.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    Two bands I can largely do without. I'd vote for Uriah Heep.
    I listen to Demons & Wizards once in a great while, but mostly their material wasn't that great. Their vocal style was somewhat influential. The best thing about D & W is the Hammond organ sound on some of those tunes, especially Rainbow Demon.
    "In the beginning there was noise. And the noise begat rhythm. And the rhythm begat everything else." - Mickey Hart

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