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    Question What's the best box set of Furtwangler Beethoven symphonies.

    Which do you recommend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Which do you recommend?
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    I would also rather like to know, and as a lot of members seem to have a better developed facility with 'images' could you please show the packaging rather than defining/describing the set you recommend.

    Thanks in anticipation.

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    Does price matter? There is a clear wartime BPO winner if price is no object........

    Are you looking for BPO wartime radio Beethoven, or later VPO & BPO series from 1948->54.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Does price matter? There is a clear winner if price is no object............

    Are you looking for BPO wartime radio Beethoven, or later VPO & BPO series from 1948-54.....
    Depends upon the artistic quality, if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Does price matter? There is a clear wartime BPO winner if price is no object........

    Are you looking for BPO wartime radio Beethoven, or later VPO & BPO series from 1948->54.....


    New BP SACD boxset has best sound for BPO wartime Beethoven, remastered from actual original magnetic tapes of radio broadcasts, better than previous Music & Arts, Andromeda, Pristine XR......

    Get much more than just Beethoven, Amazon USA Prime $211
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    I don't know about "the best," but to my ears, the Music & Arts set is pretty solid, though it only has Symphonies Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and the famous 9th from 1942.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Does price matter? There is a clear wartime BPO winner if price is no object........

    Are you looking for BPO wartime radio Beethoven, or later VPO & BPO series from 1948->54.....
    Price IS an object
    How about a set of just the Beethoven?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Price IS an object
    How about a set of just the Beethoven?
    I think that the only complete set is on EMI/Warner. It's cheap, but I don't think that it contains a lot of his best recordings. I also favor the incomplete M&A set that Manxfeeder recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    I don't know about "the best," but to my ears, the Music & Arts set is pretty solid, though it only has Symphonies Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, and the famous 9th from 1942.

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    I just picked that up based on what I've read on this forum. I've only listened to the Eroica so far, but I was impressed. Looking forward to the 9th..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    I don't know about "the best," but to my ears, the Music & Arts set is pretty solid, though it only has Symphonies Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, and the famous 9th from 1942.

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    I just picked that up based on what I've read on this forum. Different cover art, though. I've only listened to the Eroica so far, but I was impressed. Looking forward to the 9th..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    I don't know about "the best," but to my ears, the Music & Arts set is pretty solid, though it only has Symphonies Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, and the famous 9th from 1942.

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    Wartime BPO Beethoven
    There is a newer version of that Maggi Payne M&A boxset that you can buy today on Amazon......





    The cheap competitor is Andromeda, they are complete opposites in sound presentation
    ---M&A is softer more opaque sound, obvious distortion under full orchestra
    ---Andromeda is very brightly lit, shrill and quickly fatiguing, obvious distortion under full orchestra

    If I had to choose one of these -> M&A

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    Speaking of Furtwangler, there will be a complete DG and Decca recordings box coming out in September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Wartime BPO Beethoven
    There is a newer version of that Maggi Payne M&A boxset that you can buy today on Amazon......
    Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering if that was the same set, and I was also wondering about the Andromeda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering if that was the same set, and I was also wondering about the Andromeda.
    I have the newer M&A.

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    The best sounding are the Tahra transfers, if you can find them. After that, go with M&A.

    His best postwar performances are both available right now in Tahra transfers on Amazon for relatively cheap. I would jump on both of these. They all have claim to being his best recordings of these works, and the sound is better than the wartime. The second CD set has excellent sound in fact.


    5/25/47 5th and 6th. My favorite 5th, on fire from beginning to end. A great 6th as well.




    2-CD set including 12/8/52 3rd and 5/23/54 5th and 6th. I flip back and forth between this Eroica and the wartime. This one is more expansive and weighty. Both are worth it. The 5th is his best recorded and overwhelming in the transition from the 3rd to the 4th movements. The Pastorale is my favorite of all.




    I also consider his 1953 7th and 8th to be his best recordings of these works. Again, you can find them cheap on Amazon:




    Although the wartime 9th is his greatest IMO, the 1954 Lucerne is also essential and his greatest in the opinion of many. It is certainly the best recorded. Best transfer is Audite:




    The essential wartime recordings are the 3rd, 4th, 9th, and Coriolan Overture. All of these are musts, and the easiest way to collect them is the wartime M&A boxset. (Many also prefer the wartime 5th and 7th, though I think his postwar recordings surpass them) The Tahra transfers are still my favorite for these, but they are harder to find.

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