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    Surely everyone's personal journey has detoured via Cobra...at least for a brief stop off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Surely everyone's personal journey has detoured via Cobra...at least for a brief stop off?
    As regards those extremely slow performances, one usually only needs a couple of minutes ...

    EDIT: but I found this one, a 7th, that's pretty normal tempowise ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFC_bKcoxPk
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Surely everyone's personal journey has detoured via Cobra...at least for a brief stop off?
    Why when there are plenty of decent performances which do what Beethoven intended?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    Blomstedt's is rather mainstream, not a big contrast to Karajan, IMO (relatively speaking). I've got it because it's in a Beethoven box set.
    Who, in your opinion, do you think would provide a more significant contrast with Karajan, then? And please don't tell me Cobra.

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    Klemperer...........
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Klemperer...........
    That does provide contrast. However, you can get contrast with Chailly or Gardiner or Norrington too.

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    Zinman, Gardiner and Klemperer, for example, among stereo releases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    Zinman, Gardiner and Klemperer, for example, among stereo releases.
    Gardiner and Klemperer are both on my list, especially Klemperer as I've enjoyed his interpretations more. But I do think I owe it to myself to hear something a bit more HIP in Beethoven. Though I have a couple of Norrington's Beethoven discs with the London Classical Players, and don't really like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Gardiner and Klemperer are both on my list, especially Klemperer as I've enjoyed his interpretations more. But I do think I owe it to myself to hear something a bit more HIP in Beethoven. Though I have a couple of Norrington's Beethoven discs with the London Classical Players, and don't really like them.
    Give this one a try.

    He recorded them twice.




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    Anima Eterna and Jos van Immerseel.......a recommendation as an 'alternative'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    As regards those extremely slow performances, one usually only needs a couple of minutes ...

    EDIT: but I found this one, a 7th, that's pretty normal tempowise ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFC_bKcoxPk
    Minutes try less than 30 seconds to decide Cobra was full of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourdon View Post
    Give this one a try.

    He recorded them twice.



    Awesome, I will. I tend to like the Dutch HIP guys more than the English ones. I love Brüggen's Haydn Paris symphonies on Philips with the same group.

    Do you prefer the Philips set or the later, live one?

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    My sets below. Lots of individual recordings as well, but won't list them

    Berlin PO/Claudio Abbado
    New York PO/Leonard Bernstein
    Vienna PO/Karl Bohm
    O 18th century/Frans Bruggen
    Leipzig Gewandhaus/Riccardo Chailly
    Berlin PO/André Cluytens
    Staatskapelle Dresden/Colin Davis
    Eszterhazy Sinfonia/Bela Drahos
    Hungarian State O/Janos Ferencsik
    Various/Wilhelm Furtwangler
    ORR/John Eliot Gardiner
    SWR SO/Michael Gielen
    Hannover Band/Roy Goodman
    London SO/Bernard Haitink
    CO of Europe/Nikolas Harnoncourt
    AAM/Christopher Hogwood
    Anima Eterna/Jos van Immerseel
    Berlin PO/Bavarian RSO/Eugen Jochum
    Concertgebouw O/Eugen Jochum
    London SO/Eugen Jochum
    Philharmonia O/Herbert Von Karajan (EMI)
    Berlin PO/Herbert Von Karajan (DGG 1960s)
    Berlin PO/Herbert Von Karajan (DGG 1970s)
    Berlin PO/Herbert Von Karajan (DGG 1980s)
    Munich PO/Rudolf Kempe
    Philharmonia O/Otto Klemperer
    Czech PO/Paul Kletzki
    Leipzig Gewandhaus/Franz Konwitschny
    London PO/Josef Krips
    Chambre Philharmonique/Emmanuel Krivine
    Various/Rafael Kubelik
    Liverpool PO/Charles Mackerras
    Concertgebouw O/Mengelberg (1940)
    Sinf.Varsovia/Yehudi Menuhin
    Various/Pierre Monteux
    London SO/Wyn Morris
    London Classical Players/Roger Norrington
    Russian NO/Mikhail Pletnev
    Polish CPO/Wojciech Rajski
    Vienna PO/Simon Rattle
    O de Paris/Carl Schuricht
    Saarbrucken PO/Stanislaw Skrowaczewski
    Chicago SO/Georg Solti
    Cleveland O/George Szell
    NBC SO/Arturo Toscanini
    New York PO/Bruno Walter
    Columbia SO/Bruno Walter
    NDR SO/Gunther Wand
    Various/Felix Weingartner
    Tonhalle Zurich/David Zinman

    Adam Fischer on his way, as well as Tafelmusik!

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    Joining in the fun... and limited to cycles.

    Daniel Barenboim West-Eastern Divan Orchestra 2011 Decca
    Leonard Bernstein Wiener Philharmoniker 1977-79 Live DG
    Frans Brüggen Orchestra of the Eighteenth Century 1984-92 Philips
    Frans Brüggen Orchestra of the Eighteenth Century 2011 Live Note I Music
    Riccardo Chailly Gewandhausorchester Leipzig 2007-11 Decca
    Ádám Fischer ✿ Danish Chamber Orchestra 2016-2019 Naxos
    John Eliot Gardiner Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique 1991-94 Live Archiv
    Wilhelm Furtwängler Wiener Philharmoniker
    Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra
    Orchester der Bayreuther Festspiele
    1948-54 EMI
    Roy Goodman
    Monica Huggett
    Hanover Band 1982-88 Nimbus
    Bernard Haitink London Symphony Orchestra 2005-06 LSO
    Nikolaus Harnoncourt Chamber Orchestra of Europe 1990,1991 Teldec
    Martin Haselböck (Ongoing cycle) ✿ Orchestre Wiener Akademie 2014-Ongoing Alpha
    Christopher Hogwood The Academy of Ancient Music 1983-89 Decca
    Jos van Immerseel Anima Eterna 2005-07 Zig Zag
    Mariss Jansons Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks 2007-12 Live BR Klassik
    Herbert von Karajan Philharmonia Orchestra 1951-55 DG
    Herbert von Karajan Berliner Philharmoniker 1961-62 DG
    Herbert von Karajan Berliner Philharmoniker 1975-77 DG
    Herbert von Karajan Berliner Philharmoniker 1977 Live Tokyo FM
    Herbert von Karajan Berliner Philharmoniker 1982-84 DG
    Otto Klemperer Philharmonia Orchestra Orchestra 1955-59 EMI
    Emmanuel Krivine ✿ La Chambre Philharmonique 2009-10 Live Naïve
    Charles Mackerras Scottish Chamber Orchestra
    Philharmonia Orchestra
    2016 Live Hyperion
    Roger Norrington London Classical Player 1986-87 EMI
    Simon Rattle Berliner Philharmoniker 2015 Live BP Recordings
    Simon Rattle Wiener Philharmoniker 2002 Live EMI
    Kurt Sanderling Philharmonia Orchestra 1980s EMI
    Hermann Scherchen Wiener Staatsoper
    Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
    1951-54 Andromeda
    Hermann Scherchen Orchestra della Radio della Svizzera Italiana, Lugano 1965 Live Platz
    Georg Solti Chicago Symphony Orchestra 1972-1974 Decca
    Arturo Toscanini NBC Symphony Orchestra 1939 M&A, IMD
    Christian Thielemann Wiener Philharmoniker 2008-10 Live Sony
    Jan Willem de Vriend Netherlands Symphony Orchestra 2008-11 Northstar
    Felix Weingartner Wiener Philharmoniker
    London Symphony Orchestra
    London Philharmonic Orchestra
    Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
    1927-38 EMI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    How about listing your top 25?
    OK, Itullian, but these would be in the top 20 at the moment. There's still a few sets I've nearly completed and maybe one of them will creep into the picture.......so of the sets I have these are the best of the bunch, for me, up to now (no specific order)...... ..

    Skrowaczewski
    Gielen 2
    Norrington (SWR)
    Lan Shui
    Adam Fischer
    De Vriend
    Karajan 62
    Szell
    Wand
    Maag
    Blomstedt (Dresden)
    Chailly
    Barenboim (Berlin)
    Gardiner
    Jordan (DVD)
    Mackerras (RLPO)
    Haitink (LSO live)
    Immerseel
    Schuricht
    Dohnanyi
    Kletzki

    I've put a big mix of styles in there (brisk and metronomic, HIP , moderate pace, big band, smaller orchestra, slower, mono, etc) as I like a mix of styles.
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