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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki View Post
    Collector's talk, if I may.... Karajan's is a heaven for collectors...

    I counted the same No.4s and No.5s. For No. 6, I'd supplement 3 more -

    1939 / BPO (From the "Karajan 1938-1960 Collection" box. Don't know if it's included anywhere else.)

    1954 Live / NHK Symphony Orchestra (Naxos)

    1988 Live / BPO (a 2008 DG single CD release of an NHK recording. Definitely not included in DG's wooden case complete Karajan edition, nor their Karajan 1980s edition. Pretty sure it's not included in DG's most recent big white box Karajan edition as well.)

    They are all good. Also agree they are worth hearing if one likes Karajan's Tchaikovsky. Especially the live recordings. They do sound different from the studio recordings. Also, I assume he did not have a hand in the production, which could explain the different orientation in the end product's sonics.
    The last EMI set was recorded in the church whereas the almost contemporary DG in the Philarmonie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki View Post
    Curious to know... How would you guys describe Philippe Jordan's performances?

    I'm not all the way through this set, yet, but I have listened to symphonies 4-6 and they are beautifully performed. If you've heard Jordan's terrific live Beethoven cycle with the same orchestra you'll know what to expect. Plenty of spirited playing, excellent phrasing, gorgeous recording and very impressive conducting. Tempi are moderate but it sounds a little brisker because Jordan never let's the pace lag (lots of forward momentum). These are colourful, loving performances without the roughness of Markevitch or the plush sound of Ormandy (middle ground) but really well done with lots of umph. Hugely recommended. I'll listen to 1-3 tomorrow. I'm impressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki View Post
    Curious to know... How would you guys describe Philippe Jordan's performances?
    I'm glad that Merl answered your question.

    As I said in my earlier post, I’m not a music scholar, and I don’t have the expertise to critique performances. I don't find any excerpts on youtube, but when I googled "Philippe Jordan Tchaikovsky Symphonies", I found this review: http://www.musicweb-international.co...ys_109379.html

    I can say that the experience of watching and listening to these Blu-ray discs on my surround-sound system is amazing.

    My basement 4.2 hi-fi system can deliver a near-live-classical-concert-experience. Front, center, and left speakers are Klipsch RF-7 II. A single rear speaker is a Klipsch RF-7. Subwoofers: SVS SB16-Ultra, Klipsch R-115SW. These four tower speakers plus two subwoofers provide plenty of acoustical power in this average size listening room. (I sit approximately 10 feet from the speakers.) Collectively, they total four 1 ¾” titanium compression drivers mated to Tractrix horns, eight 10” woofers, one 15” powered subwoofer, and one 16” powered subwoofer.

    Source: Oppo UDP-205. The Oppo UDP-205 provides "bass management" - i.e., a built-in crossover, and a connection for a powered subwoofer. With Oppo's bass management, the low frequencies are off-loaded from the main amp and speakers, thereby facilitating greater overall dynamics.

    Here's the tube amps that I have in this system: Scott 272 (EL34), Inspire “Fire Bottle” SE Stereo Tube Amplifier HO (single-ended-pentode (SEP) power amp currently equipped with 6L6GC), Scott 222C (7189), McIntosh MX110Z tuner/preamp, Fisher KX-200 (7591), Scott 296 (6L6GC), Pilot SA-260 (EL34), Scott LK150 (KT88). A patch panel allows me to connect the speakers to whichever amp(s) I want, and F/F RCA cables enable me to connect an amp to the Oppo, and a power amp to the MX110Z (if I choose to have a pre-amp in the audio chain).

    IME, the RF-7II can reproduce the natural sound of orchestral instruments, when driven by the right tube amps. I often use the Scott 296 to drive the front L&R speakers, and the Fisher KX-200 to drive the center and rear. I have a 50” plasma HDTV that has a pleasant picture quality. I can listen for hours with no listener fatigue, at concert-hall listening levels.

    I’m far more concerned with audio quality than performance nuances, which is why I prefer modern Blu-ray recordings. That’s why I started this thread: Blu-ray Videos of Classical Concerts

    Sorry I didn’t answer your question, I just thought I’d comment on why I chose this box set.

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    RLPO and V Petrenko never let me down

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    Markevitch/LSO for 1
    Lindberg, Szell, Rozhdestvensky, Jansons, and Abbado are all great on 4
    Lindberg for 5
    Reiner and Mrawinskij are fantastic with 6

    I'm still looking for the right performances for the other 2 + Manfred

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    I have Jansen's and Muti's and I'm happy with them both.

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    I admit to a nostalgic fondness for the old Mercury recordings with Antal Dorati. And it's not all nostalgia -- Dorati could whip up a lot of excitement in his readings!



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    I really like Gergiev's account with the VPO. I know Gergiev is less popular these days, but he absolutely owns the Russian repertoire. Apart from this, I also really love the 60's Mravinsky set on DG. In general, I think Russian music is served well with Russian conductors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    I'm not all the way through this set, yet, but I have listened to symphonies 4-6 and they are beautifully performed. If you've heard Jordan's terrific live Beethoven cycle with the same orchestra you'll know what to expect. Plenty of spirited playing, excellent phrasing, gorgeous recording and very impressive conducting. Tempi are moderate but it sounds a little brisker because Jordan never let's the pace lag (lots of forward momentum). These are colourful, loving performances without the roughness of Markevitch or the plush sound of Ormandy (middle ground) but really well done with lots of umph. Hugely recommended. I'll listen to 1-3 tomorrow. I'm impressed.
    Thanks, Merl! That sounds like my cup of tea... have to confess I don't have many Philippe Jordan discs, but I do like his Glyndebourne Carmen and, to a certain extent, his Beethoven 4 & 5 with the VSO (instead of the Paris Opera). I'll need to put his Tchaikovsky blu-ray into my wish list now...

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertKC View Post
    I'm glad that Merl answered your question.

    As I said in my earlier post, I’m not a music scholar, and I don’t have the expertise to critique performances. I don't find any excerpts on youtube, but when I googled "Philippe Jordan Tchaikovsky Symphonies", I found this review: http://www.musicweb-international.co...ys_109379.html

    I can say that the experience of watching and listening to these Blu-ray discs on my surround-sound system is amazing.

    My basement 4.2 hi-fi system can deliver a near-live-classical-concert-experience. Front, center, and left speakers are Klipsch RF-7 II. A single rear speaker is a Klipsch RF-7. Subwoofers: SVS SB16-Ultra, Klipsch R-115SW. These four tower speakers plus two subwoofers provide plenty of acoustical power in this average size listening room. (I sit approximately 10 feet from the speakers.) Collectively, they total four 1 ¾” titanium compression drivers mated to Tractrix horns, eight 10” woofers, one 15” powered subwoofer, and one 16” powered subwoofer.

    Source: Oppo UDP-205. The Oppo UDP-205 provides "bass management" - i.e., a built-in crossover, and a connection for a powered subwoofer. With Oppo's bass management, the low frequencies are off-loaded from the main amp and speakers, thereby facilitating greater overall dynamics.

    Here's the tube amps that I have in this system: Scott 272 (EL34), Inspire “Fire Bottle” SE Stereo Tube Amplifier HO (single-ended-pentode (SEP) power amp currently equipped with 6L6GC), Scott 222C (7189), McIntosh MX110Z tuner/preamp, Fisher KX-200 (7591), Scott 296 (6L6GC), Pilot SA-260 (EL34), Scott LK150 (KT88). A patch panel allows me to connect the speakers to whichever amp(s) I want, and F/F RCA cables enable me to connect an amp to the Oppo, and a power amp to the MX110Z (if I choose to have a pre-amp in the audio chain).

    IME, the RF-7II can reproduce the natural sound of orchestral instruments, when driven by the right tube amps. I often use the Scott 296 to drive the front L&R speakers, and the Fisher KX-200 to drive the center and rear. I have a 50” plasma HDTV that has a pleasant picture quality. I can listen for hours with no listener fatigue, at concert-hall listening levels.

    I’m far more concerned with audio quality than performance nuances, which is why I prefer modern Blu-ray recordings. That’s why I started this thread: Blu-ray Videos of Classical Concerts

    Sorry I didn’t answer your question, I just thought I’d comment on why I chose this box set.
    Thanks for your reply! When it comes to blu-rays and SACDs, I must confess I always rip and listen to the LPCM 2.0 mix, and I only watch them on 5.1 very occasionally, but I appreciate your quest for the "near-live-classical-concert-experience" using a versatile multi-channel setup... I'm curious to know, why only one channel at the back? Do you mix SL and SR into one? Sorry this is probably off topic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki View Post
    Thanks for your reply! When it comes to blu-rays and SACDs, I must confess I always rip and listen to the LPCM 2.0 mix, and I only watch them on 5.1 very occasionally, but I appreciate your quest for the "near-live-classical-concert-experience" using a versatile multi-channel setup... I'm curious to know, why only one channel at the back? Do you mix SL and SR into one? Sorry this is probably off topic...
    In my basement system, I combine the Oppo UDP-205’s surround-left and surround-right analog line-level outputs into a single rear channel via an RCA Y-cable. (Oppo confirmed this is OK.) One stereo tube amp drives the front L&R speakers. A second stereo tube amp drives the center and single rear speaker.

    The reason for a single rear channel is room lay-out (i.e., no room for 2 rear speakers), and the fact that I already owned a single Klipsch RF-7 speaker and decided to put it to use. IME, there's little rear channel content in classical music (natural hall reverb and applause), and little difference between the content in surround-left and surround-right, so a single rear speaker works to my satisfaction.
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    The symphonies as conducted by Rozhdestvensky have been mentioned a few times. There is a set by him available on Amazon for $.99. I have not listened to it but may consider it based on price and some of the reviews for whatever they are worth.

    A quote from a reviewer comment says this: "Symphonies 2-6 and the Manfred Symphony were recorded 1988-89 by Gennadi Rozhdestvensky and the Large Symphony Orchestra of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation (whew!).
    This was actually Rozhdestvensky's second cycle - He recorded Symphonies 1-6 (but not Manfred) in 1972 with the Moscow Radio Symphony. He also recorded Symphonies 4-6 with the London Symphony in 1987."

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