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    The writer of the article is playing a little joke on us, leading up to his point that popular culture (TV or whatever) may not be as stupid as it looks. He gives his game away when he says, "Opera is at its most biting when we get plunged beneath its sometimes silly surface and exposed to something unexpectedly profound." We might ask, "Why 'unexpectedly'?"

    Evidently he has failed to notice a certain little detail about his subject: opera is about music. "Deeds of music made visible," Wagner called it. Perhaps our author is tone deaf. Or stone deaf.

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    Remember Superhorn's law of opera :

    THE OPERA HAS YET TO BE WRITTEN WITH A PLOT AS RIDICULOUS AS THE THINGS WHICH HAPPEN EVERY DAY IN REAL LIFE .

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    Quote Originally Posted by superhorn View Post
    Remember Superhorn's law of opera :

    THE OPERA HAS YET TO BE WRITTEN WITH A PLOT AS RIDICULOUS AS THE THINGS WHICH HAPPEN EVERY DAY IN REAL LIFE .
    Absolutely true. The opera about the Trump regime will be the most ludicrous and incredible farce ever put upon the stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Absolutely true. The opera about the Trump regime will be the most ludicrous and incredible farce ever put upon the stage.
    You haven't been following UK politics that closely, have you?

    N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    You haven't been following UK politics that closely, have you?

    N.
    Well, maybe it's a tie... But I'm biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Absolutely true. The opera about the Trump regime will be the most ludicrous and incredible farce ever put upon the stage.
    You forgot my friend Boris!
    O my brave Soul!
    O farther, farther sail!
    O darling joy, but safe! are they not all the seas of God?
    O farther, farther, farther sail!

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    Impeachment: the Opera
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    lemme guess: "opera is racist, misogynist and excludes the poor! stop flaunting your privilege all around the Metropolitan!" -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalalaikaBoy View Post
    lemme guess: "opera is racist, misogynist and excludes the poor! stop flaunting your privilege all around the Metropolitan!" -_-
    Hasn't that one already been written?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    Impeachment: the Opera
    Act 1: Birth
    Act 2: Trump Towers
    Act 3: Election & Scandals
    Act 4: Rebirth as a Liberal
    Four-year Intermission
    Act 5: Reconciliation with the Press
    Act 6: Adoption of a Foreign National Child
    Act 7: Marriage to Hillary Clinton
    Act 8: Hostile Takeover by Putin
    Possible final scene: Putin rides into the oval office barechested on horseback, Trump climbs on behind him, and they ride off into the sunset. Hillary walks in dressed in winged helmet, breastplate, spear, and pink pantsuit. She sings 'Ho-jo-to-ho!", pumps her fists, sits down at the president's desk, puts her feet up, and laughs madly as the curtain falls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Possible final scene: Putin rides into the oval office barechested on horseback, Trump climbs on behind him, and they ride off into the sunset. Hillary walks in dressed in winged helmet, breastplate, spear, and pink pantsuit. She sings 'Ho-jo-to-ho!", pumps her fists, sits down at the president's desk, puts her feet up, and laughs madly as the curtain falls.
    Hillary's mad scene! We've gotta see that. But we have to take into account that Putin's playing kissy-face with China these days, definitely not Trump.
    Last edited by KenOC; Aug-13-2019 at 03:38.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Hillary's mad scene! We've gotta see that. But we have to take into account that Putin's playing kissy-face with China these days, definitely not Trump.
    OK. Putin's out. How about Boris Johnson, riding into the Oval in one of his model buses?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...aises-eyebrows

    [Brexit, stage far right]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    OK. Putin's out. How about Boris Johnson, riding into the Oval in one of his model buses?
    Nobody gets in the way of Boris!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Hasn't that one already been written?
    of course it has, but indoctrination is a blunt force and repetitive instrument, not an intellectual or even an honest one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    And the Guardian web site has the nerve to ask me to subscribe.
    But it doesn't compel you to subscribe as The Times and The Telegraph do (and some of the leading US papers which I can't access - I forget which).

    Two quotes suggest that the writer does not belive that opera is stupisd at all. First, get the tone of the piece:

    this kind of storyline would keep the twitterati and op-ed commentators seething for weeks about the commodification of women’s bodies and the structural misogyny of heteronormative dating rites
    And then, get his love of opera:

    Opera is at its most biting when we get plunged beneath its sometimes silly surface and exposed to something unexpectedly profound. Take Berg’s Lulu. For all that many productions attempt to lure audiences with promises and posters of a sexpot who can’t keep her clothes on and who is ultimately (spoiler alert!) murdered by Jack the Ripper, it is as heartbreaking and instructive about the patriarchy as any work of art.
    The provocative title should not be taken at face value. Here's the clincher:

    even what’s regarded as the basest mass culture is rarely as stupid or worthless as detractors might suggest. Just like opera.
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