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    Default The Netrebkos are on a final warning

    What do you think of this article?

    https://slippedisc.com/2019/08/the-n...i0U4-OpnXVAHGI

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    The most important item is the author of that article but beyond that ... Kathleen Battle comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuoksu View Post
    The difference being that Callas had a very good point which Bing refused to understand. He wanted her to alternate such disparate roles as Violetta and Lady Macbeth which she refused to do, making the perfectly understandable point that she needed to time to lighten her voice after Lady Macbeth before embarking on Violetta. All he could do was to offer her Lucia instead of Violetta, thereby compounding the problem. It just shows how little understanding he had of the voice and its workings.

    He later made the point that she had alternated much more disparate roles earlier in her career, which was indeed true, but she was just forging her career then. By 1958 she was a massive star, and probably the most famous singer in the world. She wasn't about to take such risks.
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    There is nothing wrong with taking some time off or reducing your schedule, but current commitments should be honored first. It is unprofessional to cancel performances on a whim.

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    Who has issued that "final warning?" Norman Lebrecht?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuoksu View Post
    It sounds more like editorial opinion than fact. Fake news.

    "For Netrebko and Eyvazov, it’s just a matter of time.

    They are on a final warning."

    Where's the justification for that statement? It's not provided in the article.
    Last edited by Open Book; Aug-12-2019 at 20:05.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuoksu View Post
    Rather silly Norman Lebrecht stuff imo.

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    I think we should name things correctly. Like "reddit rant", "Facebook post", "Instagram story" or "sco pa tu manaa twitter trend" rather than the respectable genre of "article". For journalism vocabulary, this could be named an "Op-Ed".

    You know Netrebko is my kind of voice to love in opera, but I'm not going to discuss this, it's just my taste. I was disappointed I could not have her in the broadcast of the first Lohengrin in Bayreuth this year.

    But what do you have against Mr. Lebrecht as a critic or "notable figure" in the Classical Music Online world? I may be too young to know. I read recently his experiences attending Tennstedt concerts in the same site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    The difference being that Callas had a very good point which Bing refused to understand. He wanted her to alternate such disparate roles as Violetta and Lady Macbeth which she refused to do, making the perfectly understandable point that she needed to time to lighten her voice after Lady Macbeth before embarking on Violetta. All he could do was to offer her Lucia instead of Violetta, thereby compounding the problem. It just shows how little understanding he had of the voice and its workings.

    He later made the point that she had alternated much more disparate roles earlier in her career, which was indeed true, but she was just forging her career then. By 1958 she was a massive star, and probably the most famous singer in the world. She wasn't about to take such risks.
    I seem to remember (but I may have it wrong), that Meneghini in his biography of Callas said that the firing was actually desired by he and Callas so that she could sing the much more interesting Medea in Dallas without having to renenge on her Met contract. According to him they were using the alternating roles as an excuse so that Bing would fire her. I remember thinking at the time I read it that it made the Meneghinis come off as an unscrupulous pair. I may have misremembered or he may have been lying (and in any case the offer of those roles demonstrates that Bing didn't understand much about opera).

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    Anna and Yusif have been very foolish to publish these photos. Whether it means that their stars are about to set is another thing entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    I seem to remember (but I may have it wrong), that Meneghini in his biography of Callas said that the firing was actually desired by he and Callas so that she could sing the much more interesting Medea in Dallas without having to renenge on her Met contract. According to him they were using the alternating roles as an excuse so that Bing would fire her. I remember thinking at the time I read it that it made the Meneghinis come off as an unscrupulous pair. I may have misremembered or he may have been lying (and in any case the offer of those roles demonstrates that Bing didn't understand much about opera).

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    But the "firing" happened whilst she was singing Medea in Dallas, so that can't be right. She was interviewed by the press in her dressing room in Dallas after Bing was photographed tearing up her contract (a publicity stunt if ever there were one).

    That said, she didn't like appearing at the Met. Rehearsal time was always limited and on some occasions she never even got a stage rehearsal despite not being able to see anything on stage. The lack of rehearsal often meant she would sometimes sing with people she hadn't rehearsed with. It was hardly conducive to great art and a far cry from what she was used to at La Scala. I'm sure she wasn't that bothered about not appearing there again.
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    Side question. I am no opera expert, and have no knowledge of the mechanics behind the voices that bring them to life. But I have noticed a very obvious change in Anna from her early years - those early albums were plastered with pictures of a much slimmer, attractive woman. I no way a waif, she had a healthy physique. In later years, she has clearly gained a significant amount of weight - who among us doesn't, as we age, metabolism slows, etc.? In contrast, Callas started her career a heavier woman who then lost a significant amount of weight and was a slender beauty in the later stage of her career.

    How much do these changes in weight impact vocal capabilities? I have read criticisms that Callas' voice suffered with her weight loss, but am in no position to judge this - still sounds wonderful to me. What about Netrebko? Has her weight change impacted her vocal skills? Is heavier an advantage in opera singing? I notice that there is no shortage of larger women singing opera, and indeed that is the stereotype that most with no experience imagine - it ain't over until the fat lady sings.

    Enlighten me. Is this known, or does it come down more to opinions? Surely it at least hasn't impacted Netrebko's profession - she seems as popular as ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    But what do you have against Mr. Lebrecht as a critic or "notable figure" in the Classical Music Online world? I may be too young to know. I read recently his experiences attending Tennstedt concerts in the same site.
    Norman Lebrecht has a serious case of cephalic hypertrophy - he thinks that his opinions are significant because they are his opinions and he is not afraid to let loose with them, often with little supporting information. He also thinks that because he has a widely read site, that he is some form of important modern journalist even though he doesn't seem to recognize the distinction between reporting and opinion. In other words, his site can have interesting information so is sometimes worth reading but one needs to be very cautious about making too much of what he publishes.

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    ^^P.S.: That puts Mr. Lebrecht in a similar category to a number of TCers ... perhaps he is actually one of them :

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