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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    its far from a watch hunt

    multiple women have come forward - many anonymous as they work in the business and fear they could lose their careers.

    Im afraid you are empowering male sexual predators in positions of power and putting women at risk with your dismissive comments attempting to trivialise a very serious issue.
    How can you defend yourself against an anonymous accuser?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Burgess View Post
    How can you defend yourself against an anonymous accuser?
    Thats not the point.

    He is not going to be criminally charged.

    Philadelphia Orchestra have withdrawn an invitation so give the allegations some credibility and one named woman has come forward.

    There may be more like with Jimmy Saville - once the floodgates opened more women came forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    And if we apply this principle across the board, who do we have to listen to? Composers too?
    It wont stop me as things stand. He seems to have taken unwelcome liberties with women - he's still a great tenor.

    Michael Jackson abused children - I must admit I could not listen to any of his stuff when the truth came out about what he had been up to at his neverland theme park.

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    A lot of the opera recordings I purchased when I was young were based on singer. For opera's with a tenor as the main role I was usually looking for Pavarotti as a kid because I liked his voice most. Domingo was usually around my third choice so while I do not have loads of recordings of him, I do have a few. Will I stop listening to Domingo? No. I will listen to him just the same as I do James Levine (whom I will still recommend for a Brahms symphony cycle until my dying day). There have been lots of artists who were lousy people throughout history but it doesn't weigh on my opinion for their art.

    As far as Mr. Domingo, we'll see what if anything occurs in a court of law. I have so many different thoughts on these matters from all different aspects and perspectives. At the end of the day for me personally, the only thing I can do is judge for myself whether I want to be a person like that or not, and for myself I choose the later.

    Not totally unrelated but I also read an article the other day putting a lot of these things in the perspective of being due to our genetics. They've found more than a dozen different genes that lead to impulse control and addiction type behaviors where the person can't help but feel compelled to do certain things. They found when testing Scandinavian people (who always seem to be ranked "happiest" in the world in many polls) they have fewer instances of carrying a serotonin receptor gene that's been linked to depression. And with just a brain scan, scientists can with 72% accuracy predict what political affiliation you are likely to be associated with as conservatives tend to have a bigger amygdala, the part of the brain that is activated in fearful situations, while liberals often have a larger anterior cingulate cortex, the area involved in analyzing instinctive thoughts.

    I'm not trying to give an excuse or anything to the like, but things like that do make me wonder if Mr. Domingo (as well as many other people who were lousy individuals) were perhaps predisposed to act a certain way when given the chance based purely on genetic makeup...random thoughts.
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    I'm disappointed - thought he was better than this - but not exactly surprised. He creeped me out in the Salzburg Trovatore, I was like, ew, get off Netrebko, you old lecher.

    I grew up on his recordings and videos, but his recent crimes against baritone roles already eroded my respect.

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    There are of course safeguarding issues for organisations that Domingo is going to work with.

    In a court of law standards of evidence are much higher than in organisation which have to make safeguarding decisions. So it may be enough that there are multiple allegations outstanding for an opera company, for example, to make the decision that they need to protect their female staff against a singer who is alleged to have sexually harassed women.

    This looks like an end to his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    This looks like an end to his career.
    A career that, on artistic merit, should have ended two decades ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    A career that, on artistic merit, should have ended two decades ago.
    Its not the first time that a great artist has hung on to the bitter end.

    On another note thank goodness Pav's reputation is intact - all he seems to have had a passion for besides music is food.

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    It's not the miserable journalistic standards of the tabloids that is the background for the article, but more acknowledged media, which makes the content of the allegations more likely.

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    I just did a quick search and all I have of him is the Kleiber La Traviata. Given that I am not a large opera fan, this wasn't going to be a big issue.

    I hope that he gets a thorough vetting, and that he is free to offer whatever defense he would like. However, if the allegations are true, that is likely to make things even worse for him - more will likely come out, so if he is guilty, I suspect he's going to want to put this to rest very quickly.

    If it is true, I suspect that he will come out with the standard, "yes, this happened, but I remember it as being consensual." But that line carries less and less weight with me in these situations. As with so many of these cases that turn out to be true, more often than not these were open secrets. Some women may very well have "consented," but only because it had already been made abundantly clear that, in order to further their career, they had to make nice with this bigwig or that bigwig. So yes, consensual in a certain respect, just like the shopkeeper may "consensually" pay the local mafia thug for "protection."

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    Its not the first time that a great artist has hung on to the bitter end.

    On another note thank goodness Pav's reputation is intact - all he seems to have had a passion for besides music is food.
    Creepy to think - did he hang on longer because of what he viewed as "fringe benefits" that we are talking about that would have dried up once he could no longer offer lucrative career opportunities? Perhaps that is pushing it too far. Then again, if the allegations are true, such a revelation wouldn't surprise me too terribly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    It's not the miserable journalistic standards of the tabloids that is the background for the article, but more acknowledged media, which makes the content of the allegations more likely.
    and the fact that 2 major organisations in the USA have cancelled his engagements

    some quotes from the news

    the Philadelphia Orchestra and San Francisco Opera announced they would cancel upcoming performances featuring the opera singer.

    The Philadelphia Orchestra also withdrew its invitation for Domingo to appear at its opening night concert next month, saying: “We are committed to providing a safe, supportive, respectful, and appropriate environment for the orchestra and staff, for collaborating artists and composers, and for our audiences and communities.”

    the San Francisco Opera, the company is “committed to its strong anti-sexual harassment policy and requires all company members to adhere to the highest standards of professional conduct.”

    However - he has many loyal friends in the opera world and no doubt will find venues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    Creepy to think - did he hang on longer because of what he viewed as "fringe benefits" that we are talking about that would have dried up once he could no longer offer lucrative career opportunities? Perhaps that is pushing it too far. Then again, if the allegations are true, such a revelation wouldn't surprise me too terribly.
    fringe benefits - maybe - he may at least enjoy being around beautiful young women - even if he is now too old to really take advantage, I assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    I just did a quick search and all I have of him is the Kleiber La Traviata. Given that I am not a large opera fan, this wasn't going to be a big issue.

    I hope that he gets a thorough vetting, and that he is free to offer whatever defense he would like. However, if the allegations are true, that is likely to make things even worse for him - more will likely come out, so if he is guilty, I suspect he's going to want to put this to rest very quickly.

    If it is true, I suspect that he will come out with the standard, "yes, this happened, but I remember it as being consensual." But that line carries less and less weight with me in these situations. As with so many of these cases that turn out to be true, more often than not these were open secrets. Some women may very well have "consented," but only because it had already been made abundantly clear that, in order to further their career, they had to make nice with this bigwig or that bigwig. So yes, consensual in a certain respect, just like the shopkeeper may "consensually" pay the local mafia thug for "protection."
    That is what is being said more or less. Plus abused women too afraid to speak out against such a powerful figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    However - he has many loyal friends in the opera world and no doubt will find venues.
    I think not. At 78, he has little to offer musically. For the past decade, he has been asked to perform because he puts butts in the seats. With these allegations in play, I don't think too many people will be quite as enthusiastic about attending his performances.

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