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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    Thats not the point.

    He is not going to be criminally charged.

    Philadelphia Orchestra have withdrawn an invitation so give the allegations some credibility and one named woman has come forward.

    There may be more like with Jimmy Saville - once the floodgates opened more women came forward.
    So you would not mind if someone went to your boss and made an anonymous complaint against you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Burgess View Post
    So you would not mind if someone went to your boss and made an anonymous complaint against you.




    If I was innocent - I would feel aggrieved and angry anon or not.

    If I was guilty - I would think justice had caught up with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realdealblues View Post
    A lot of the opera recordings I purchased when I was young were based on singer. For opera's with a tenor as the main role I was usually looking for Pavarotti as a kid because I liked his voice most. Domingo was usually around my third choice so while I do not have loads of recordings of him, I do have a few. Will I stop listening to Domingo? No. I will listen to him just the same as I do James Levine (whom I will still recommend for a Brahms symphony cycle until my dying day). There have been lots of artists who were lousy people throughout history but it doesn't weigh on my opinion for their art.

    As far as Mr. Domingo, we'll see what if anything occurs in a court of law. I have so many different thoughts on these matters from all different aspects and perspectives. At the end of the day for me personally, the only thing I can do is judge for myself whether I want to be a person like that or not, and for myself I choose the later.

    Not totally unrelated but I also read an article the other day putting a lot of these things in the perspective of being due to our genetics. They've found more than a dozen different genes that lead to impulse control and addiction type behaviors where the person can't help but feel compelled to do certain things. They found when testing Scandinavian people (who always seem to be ranked "happiest" in the world in many polls) they have fewer instances of carrying a serotonin receptor gene that's been linked to depression. And with just a brain scan, scientists can with 72% accuracy predict what political affiliation you are likely to be associated with as conservatives tend to have a bigger amygdala, the part of the brain that is activated in fearful situations, while liberals often have a larger anterior cingulate cortex, the area involved in analyzing instinctive thoughts.


    I'm not trying to give an excuse or anything to the like, but things like that do make me wonder if Mr. Domingo (as well as many other people who were lousy individuals) were perhaps predisposed to act a certain way when given the chance based purely on genetic makeup...random thoughts.
    Interesting--the bolded part especially.

    I don't know much about genetics, but I am of Italian descent (on both sides of my family), have been to Italy multiple times, and...let's just say that it's a cultural "thing" there to be macho and forward with regards to women. I don't imagine it's much different in Spain or Mexico or the other Latin countries. I still remember, when I was 21, I was riding on a bus in Florence and some random guy stuck his hand up my skirt. I yelled something scolding in Italian (I can't remember exactly what words I used), everyone stared, and he stopped immediately. That's when I realized that some of these guys are all braggadocio and little else.

    Of course, the man who groped me wasn't the head of an opera company, with the power to hire and fire, the way Domingo was in the 1990's. I'd always assumed he'd had (consensual) extramarital affairs (a common, human failing), but abusing his power as an opera director by forcing himself on women is a more serious matter. Ideally, I'd like the case to be settled in a court of law rather than by way of gossip or tabloid journalism, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

    Edited to add: Rereading the article, I think that those women who ran from Domingo and rejected his advances did exactly the right thing, and it comforts me to know that Domingo didn't pursue the matter after they'd repulsed him. Unsavory as Domingo's behavior was, he's clearly not in the same category as Harvey Weinstein or Charlie Rose.

    To me, some of Domingo's behavior sounds like that of the stereotypical, slightly boneheaded Latin opera tenor who assumes every soprano in the company wants him and him alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barelytenor View Post
    He sucks as a baritone.
    You have no idea how much I wished Quinn Kelsey or some other young, up-and-coming baritone had sung Domingo's role of Miller in last year's LUISA MILLER at the Met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realdealblues View Post
    A lot of the opera recordings I purchased when I was young were based on singer. For opera's with a tenor as the main role I was usually looking for Pavarotti as a kid because I liked his voice most. Domingo was usually around my third choice so while I do not have loads of recordings of him, I do have a few. Will I stop listening to Domingo? No. I will listen to him just the same as I do James Levine (whom I will still recommend for a Brahms symphony cycle until my dying day). There have been lots of artists who were lousy people throughout history but it doesn't weigh on my opinion for their art.

    As far as Mr. Domingo, we'll see what if anything occurs in a court of law. I have so many different thoughts on these matters from all different aspects and perspectives. At the end of the day for me personally, the only thing I can do is judge for myself whether I want to be a person like that or not, and for myself I choose the later.

    Not totally unrelated but I also read an article the other day putting a lot of these things in the perspective of being due to our genetics. They've found more than a dozen different genes that lead to impulse control and addiction type behaviors where the person can't help but feel compelled to do certain things. They found when testing Scandinavian people (who always seem to be ranked "happiest" in the world in many polls) they have fewer instances of carrying a serotonin receptor gene that's been linked to depression. And with just a brain scan, scientists can with 72% accuracy predict what political affiliation you are likely to be associated with as conservatives tend to have a bigger amygdala, the part of the brain that is activated in fearful situations, while liberals often have a larger anterior cingulate cortex, the area involved in analyzing instinctive thoughts.

    I'm not trying to give an excuse or anything to the like, but things like that do make me wonder if Mr. Domingo (as well as many other people who were lousy individuals) were perhaps predisposed to act a certain way when given the chance based purely on genetic makeup...random thoughts.
    do you have a link to this study - would love to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellinilover View Post
    You have no idea how much I wished Quinn Kelsey or some other young, up-and-coming baritone had sung Domingo's role of Miller in last year's LUISA MILLER at the Met.
    Yeah imagine these washed out old stars trading on former glories are keeping out young talents.

    pure egotistical greed

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    Yeah imagine these washed out old stars trading on former glories are keeping out young talents.

    pure egotistical greed
    I mean, if he could have sung it adequately, I would have been appeased (while still wishing for an actual baritone), but Domingo just didn't have much tone left to fill out the music. During his Act I double aria, I kept trying to block Domingo's voice out and imagine that of Sherrill Milnes circa 1979 in its place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    multiple women have come forward
    its merely those he once regected want revenge.

    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    you are empowering male sexual predators in positions of power
    but he does not look a sex predator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhdanov View Post
    its merely those he once regected want revenge.



    but he does not look a sex predator.
    where is your evidence of this?

    appearances can be deceptive.

    he always looked like a gent to me - but then I was not at the receiving end of his unwanted advances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhdanov View Post

    but he does not look a sex predator.
    What does a sex predator look like? The hunchback of Notre Dame?

    Nice people have dark secrets. This one wasn't even a secret, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    where is your evidence of this?

    appearances can be deceptive.

    he always looked like a gent to me - but then I was not at the receiving end of his unwanted advances.
    There has been false accusations before, the Duke lacrosse team and Tawana Brawley.
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    There were notable false accusations in the recent Supreme Court confirmation hearings. One was submitted anonymously by an older woman who had never actually met the candidate at all. She was threatened with criminal prosecution when the truth came out, but I don't know what ever happened with that.

    Added: I refreshed my memory a bit and see that the third of four women to come forward with their stories was also referred, along with her attorney Michael Avenatti (surprise!) to the DOJ for possible charges relating to "conspiracy, false statements and obstruction of Congress".

    The FBI was unable to find a scrap of confirmation of any of the claims, even from supposed eyewitnesses named by the accusers. It's not always true that where there's smoke, there's fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Burgess View Post
    There has been false accusations before, the Duke lacrosse team and Tawana Brawley.
    Riveting argument. There have also been powerful affluent men who have sexually assaulted people before. Dutoit, Levine, Kevin Spacey, Harvey Weinstein, R. Kelly, Jeffrey Epstein, long ellipsis...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minor Sixthist View Post
    Riveting argument. There have also been powerful affluent men who have sexually assaulted people before. Dutoit, Levine, Kevin Spacey, Harvey Weinstein, R. Kelly, Jeffrey Epstein, long ellipsis...
    The charges were dropped on Kevin Spacey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Burgess View Post
    The charges were dropped on Kevin Spacey.
    Tell me all the great things about the rest.

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