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    Sometimes motivations may be less than totally noble. Now that Epstein is dead (and unable to defend himself, if indeed he ever could) the first big civil lawsuit demanding $$$ has been filed against his estate and certain associates who assisted in his nefarious enterprises. Be assured there will be many more, each with its "Mr. 30%" assiduously managing the proceedings.

    US law will likely rule that these young girls, were it not for Mr. Epstein's intervention, would not have become prostitutes. But of course hundreds and perhaps thousands of underage girls become prostitutes in this country every day, and it seems to me that there is often at least a modicum of free will involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Sometimes motivations may be less than totally noble. Now that Epstein is dead (and unable to defend himself, if indeed he ever could) the first big civil lawsuit demanding $$$ has been filed against his estate and certain associates who assisted in his nefarious enterprises. Be assured there will be many more, each with its "Mr. 30%" assiduously managing the proceedings.

    US law will likely rule that these young girls, were it not for Mr. Epstein's intervention, would not have become prostitutes. But of course hundreds and perhaps thousands of underage girls become prostitutes in this country every day, and it seems to me that there is often at least a modicum of free will involved.
    Really, should we be attempting to measure a sixteen-year-old girl's "modicum of free will," or the "nobility of her motives," when she seeks an action against her procurer or rapist? There are things adults should not be permitted to do to children, regardless of the children's supposedly free will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Really, should we be attempting to measure a sixteen-year-old girl's "modicum of free will," or the "nobility of her motives," when she seeks an action against her procurer or rapist? There are things adults should not be permitted to do to children, regardless of the children's supposedly free will.
    Agree totally. But when these teen vixens come seeking millions of dollars years later for the wrongs done them, how should we judge this? And to make the choice starker, let's say 14 years old.

    Remember, they were initially offered money for providing Epstein with "erotic massages" and accepted. There was never, that I've heard, coercion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Agree totally. But when these teen vixens come seeking millions of dollars years later for the wrongs done them, how should we judge this?
    I try not to, if I don't know the girls or how their experiences affected them. I wouldn't call them "vixens."

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    where is your evidence of this?
    where's your evidence he groped anyone?

    i for one did not see him doing that, did you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Sometimes motivations may be less than totally noble. Now that Epstein is dead (and unable to defend himself, if indeed he ever could) the first big civil lawsuit demanding $$$ has been filed against his estate and certain associates who assisted in his nefarious enterprises. Be assured there will be many more, each with its "Mr. 30%" assiduously managing the proceedings.

    US law will likely rule that these young girls, were it not for Mr. Epstein's intervention, would not have become prostitutes. But of course hundreds and perhaps thousands of underage girls become prostitutes in this country every day, and it seems to me that there is often at least a modicum of free will involved.
    Many girls who turn to prostitution experienced some form of sexual abuse as children. They are usually then lured into prostitution by men who from them for it through flattery and gifts. I suppose you could say there is some modicum of free will, up against a massive amount of emotional, and then physical manipulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    I try not to, if I don't know the girls or how their experiences affected them. I wouldn't call them "vixens."
    Russ Meyer might call them "supervixens"! It got a tomatometer score of 100% on Rotten Tomatoes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Agree totally. But when these teen vixens come seeking millions of dollars years later for the wrongs done them, how should we judge this? And to make the choice starker, let's say 14 years old.

    Remember, they were initially offered money for providing Epstein with "erotic massages" and accepted. There was never, that I've heard, coercion.

    That is all irrelevant. According to the laws in this country, an underage girl cannot legally give consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Agree totally. But when these teen vixens come seeking millions of dollars years later for the wrongs done them, how should we judge this? And to make the choice starker, let's say 14 years old.
    Why not wait and see if that's what they do before we start aimlessly speculating? I know it might sound totally crazy, but just humor me... what if those "teen vixens" just want nothing more than to move on from the trauma of having been raped? I know, crazy thought that a minor not out of her sophomore year might just want nothing more than to gain closure in light of a highly distressing event...those shrewd little vixens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    That is all irrelevant. According to the laws in this country, an underage girl cannot legally give consent.
    Legally irrelevant I agree, in any criminal proceedings. But the question is, how much can one of the victims successfully claim as damages in a civil suit?

    In this country, it is increasingly unlikely that anyone will be held responsible for their own decisions, underage or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhdanov View Post
    where's your evidence he groped anyone?

    i for one did not see him doing that, did you?
    I am not making any claims.

    I never said domingo did anything at all. There have been allegations as yet unproven in which about 10 women so far have accused him of sexual harassment.

    You said that those making the allegations are seeking revenge for being rejected in the past. Do you have some evidence of this - if so - please share it with the board.

    i for one did not see him doing that, did you?

    It is not necessary to witness a crime to believe in whether or not it happened - otherwise there would be no criminals in prison. We have evidence, from victims for example. They are witnesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Legally irrelevant I agree, in any criminal proceedings. But the question is, how much can one of the victims successfully claim as damages in a civil suit?

    In this country, it is increasingly unlikely that anyone will be held responsible for their own decisions, underage or not.
    There have been no suggestions so far that anybody is claiming compensation and given that nearly all the women are not named it looks like money is not their motive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minor Sixthist View Post
    Why not wait see if that's what they do before we start aimlessly speculating? I know it might sound totally crazy, but just humor me... what if those "teen vixens" just want nothing more to move on from the trauma of having been raped? I know, crazy thought that a minor not out of her sophomore year might just want nothing more than to gain closure in light of a highly distressing event...those shrewd little vixens.
    It may also be that they want to warn other women about Domingo. Something they may wish they had done much earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    In this country, it is increasingly unlikely that anyone will be held responsible for their own decisions, underage or not.
    The phrase "underage or not" is a deceptive conflation. A tendency to hold others responsible for the consequences of adults' choices can be (though it isn't always) a bad thing, but an increased appreciation (backed by science) for the deficiencies of subadults' decision-making is a good thing. Even adult humans make notoriously irrational decisions and engage in foolish and harmful behavior in matters involving sex, but teenagers - raging vortexes of hormonal hyperactivity directed by a powerful need for love and acceptance - are extremely vulnerable to the blandishments and promises of unscrupulous adults wishing to use them sexually. This is why we try to protect them from the seductions of predators, and give no legal recognition to their "consent," but instead treat them as innocent victims. In many cases it's unrealistic and unfair to hold teenagers responsible for unwise and dangerous sexual choices even where these choices may appear uncoerced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minor Sixthist View Post
    Why not wait see if that's what they do before we start aimlessly speculating?
    Where's the fun in waiting? And while we're at it, let's throw in as many generalisations as we can about women and how they behave, just to confirm our inability to comment on a news story without letting our ignorance show. It's remarkable how many experts in human behaviour there are here to tell us what "young vixens" will and won't do for money, how they are likely to make false allegations.

    (Oh, and while criminal proceedings against Spacey may have been dropped, some of the allegations still stand (though unproven and denied) and Spacey himself has apologised for certain instances of inappropriate behaviour.)
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