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    Kubelik has also made a very good Freischütz,Keilberth and Kleiber ,I have them all three,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    I'm with you Florestan, one to bodyswerve.
    I quite like that production; granted, the Max is a bit wooden, but the other characters and chorus are excellent. It has a wonderfully over-the-top Wolf's Glen scene (where the aforementioned self-pleasing rabbit lives) and the creepiest Samiel ever.
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    Absolutely wonderful opera!!!

    Wonderfully balanced work and one of the first use of "leitmotiv" in that form I think. Very "modern" sounding sound colors for that period. To my ears it sounds more modern than Beethoven's 9th in a way (the ninth wasn't yet completed when Der Freischutz premiered)



    I have the Sir Collin Davis (2012): nice big sound

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razumovskymas View Post
    Absolutely wonderful opera!!!

    Wonderfully balanced work and one of the first use of "leitmotiv" in that form I think. Very "modern" sounding sound colors for that period. To my ears it sounds more modern than Beethoven's 9th in a way (the ninth wasn't yet completed when Der Freischutz premiered)
    Weber was more modern than Beethoven (who by then transcended period). It might not be too much to say that Der Freischutz was the seminal work of German Romanticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Weber was more modern than Beethoven (who by then transcended period). It might not be too much to say that Der Freischutz was the seminal work of German Romanticism.

    If I'm not mistaken, Weber was the first to put the woodwinds behind the strings in the orchestra. How more modern can you be!! ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    I want to ask you about only one DVD avaiable in "my" shop with Der Freischutz which I'm about to buy. Is it famous and regarded recording which you can recognize?

    Here goes the info:

    Chor der Hamburgischen Staatsoper i orkiestra Philharmonisches Staatsorchester Hamburg directed by Leopold Ludwig

    Maks: Ernst Kozub, tenor
    Kacper: Gott lob Frick, bas
    Kilian: Franz Grundheber, baryton
    Kuno: Toni Blankenheim, bas
    Agata: Arlene Saunders, sopran
    Anusia: Edith Mathis, sopran
    Otokar: Tom Krause, baryton

    1968, Hamburg.
    I have been watching this one. Am about 1 hr and 20 minutes in and like it a lot. Not so keen on the Wolf Glenn scene (and that is in general, not this DVD), but the rest is wonderful and the singing is great! Best part is that it has a happy ending.
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    So what is going on about Der Freischutz? It's been a year and quite quite here. I still have my one set, Harnoncourt. I wanted the Kubelik set for Behrens, but it was too expensive and I found a cheap highlights set of it instead, but really should have gotten the whole set.
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    I have the Kleiber but I can't stand all the spoken dialog so I imported it into the audacity software and edited it all out. Hey if Klemperer can do it to Magic Flute, then...

    As to the spruces et.al.:

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    This one sounds very good, and I do like the spoken dialog too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    So what is going on about Der Freischutz? It's been a year and quite quite here. I still have my one set, Harnoncourt. I wanted the Kubelik set for Behrens, but it was too expensive and I found a cheap highlights set of it instead, but really should have gotten the whole set.


    https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...condition=used

    run and buy!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Awesome! Thanks. Order is placed! Don't know how I missed that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    This one sounds very good, and I do like the spoken dialog too.
    I am still fascinated by the above recording, which I think maybe misdated at 1952 because, given the conductor and cast, this Der Freischutz discography only lists it for 1949. If that is the case then there are a couple other releases available, particularly this one:


    However, I discovered a site where you can stream the opera online. This site also gives 1949 for the same conductor and cast.
    http://www.operatoday.com/content/20...er_freis_1.php

    However, the sound clips for the above "1951" Profil recording sound a LOT better than these streamed clips, so maybe there is a difference, or maybe the streamed one is from a different release and Profil set has been remastered. At any rate, I could not stand it any longer and so have ordered the Profil set, which I happily await:

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    I am trying to figure out if these are actually two separate recordings or if somewhere along the line the 1949 recording was mislabelled as 1951. Both have same conductor, same concert hall, same cast. (Click on images to blow them up to readable size.)

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    Wikipedia's listing for this opera does not even have Kempe in the discography.

    This discography includes the 1949 performance, but not the 1951.

    And this discography has the 1951 performance, but not the 1949.

    When I put "Erster Aufzug Hier im ird'schen Jammertal (Kaspar)" up on Audacity from the 1951 set and compared it to the 1949 (from the streaming link I posted earlier), they looked and sounded similar but for differences in that the 1951 set must have been remastered (it does say mastered from the original tapes).
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    I remember going to see this at 1982 at Covent Garden and haven’t listened to it since. Well, not until last week when I purchased the LSO version conducted by Colin Davies. I assume it is a concert version but it very refreshing hearing it played by a great orchestra with a concert chorus. I’m really enjoying getting back into this music. Has anyone else heard this version and if so what are your impressions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopkinms View Post
    I remember going to see this at 1982 at Covent Garden and haven’t listened to it since. Well, not until last week when I purchased the LSO version conducted by Colin Davies. I assume it is a concert version but it very refreshing hearing it played by a great orchestra with a concert chorus. I’m really enjoying getting back into this music. Has anyone else heard this version and if so what are your impressions?
    A very discerning member of TC, Pugg, likes the Colin Davis set very much: See post here.
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