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    Although I'm not a great fan of Lang Lang's playing and would not say he is a great pianist, he is a highly charismatic figure who has promoted the cause of classical music and has encouraged thousands if not millions to play the piano in the course of a highly successful career. That to me is something we should be grateful for .
    Yuja is a brilliant pianist Who has an awful lot of fans both for her playing and for her looks and for the length of of her skirts or lack of them . I have three of her discs and they are brilliantly played and would stand up to any competition. Her playing speaks for itself to all but the tin eared.
    I think Mr Best's comments are those of someone who is destined to put people off classical music . He should really keep his uninformed sour grapes to himself. A dislike of success in others is a sign of failure within ourselves. Sad really when we have to criticise others in order to try and boost our own ego

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimace View Post
    Thanks a lot! You are 100% to the point. Chinese pianists aren't my favourites. The Chinese circus is super...
    Lang Lang recorded K 491, it’s one of the more audacious performances I’ve heard, I’m not saying you’ll enjoy it, especially if you come with a preexisting idea of how the music should go. I just say that it has proved to be for me challenging and rewarding to get to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    Or please add in any other pianists who you feel are commercialized, *milking the cow*, over rated.
    Not like the old masters use to play Rachmaninov, Prokofiev, Brahms, Beethoven,,thats for sure.
    New artist does not equate to superior performances,
    New is not always better you know.
    Why do you feel you must continually encourage people in negative posts? You seem almost obsessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    well i just now visited her rachmaninov PC3, The new conductor Dudamel, who does an OK job, the Los Angeles is good,,wait let me ck,,be right back,,,,well fair job from the los Angeles,,anyway back to the star of the show. This concerto really requires substantive handle of this large number of notes. The concerto allows no rest for the weary and so can easily overwhelm any who approach , that are unprepared.
    I think this is what happened to Yuja here, she got carried away thinking she has mastered the concerto.
    So avg, sub avg from Dudamel, and The Los Angeles and Yuja.
    Did we built up this great art, only to come to modern times with half prepared, half capable artists from all 3 involved parties?
    No , we expect higher, highest standards to be achieved, not demurred.

    No doubt if you go to amazon and also YT comments, 99% will be of the highest accolades and praises.
    so what do i know
    I skipped this this,,no way could i bear 40 minutes of THIS

    Yes I have it now. You are the sort of person no-one takes notice of so you feel in TC that you can have an audience and by making these sort of comments which you think get you noticed. Sorry but it gets you noticed in the wrong way. In fact, mate, saying this performance is 'unprepared' without giving any reason whatever for the statement you show you have no idea what you are talking about.
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    " Both Brahms is a cake walk, kids stuff next to Prokofiev's 2-5 PC's. "

    Fur fox ache.....

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    I'll just say Wang > Lang.

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    It doesn't matter to me origin of the musician.

    but very few Asians have really made it to the top - all our greats lists are western performers more or less.
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    I thought Zimerman was Polish, but hey-ho.....

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    I agree,
    As I mentioned Uchida has ousted all the great EU/Russian pianist,,well not russians, but EU pianist in the Mozart. Brendel , Ashkenazy (EU/rinfluences), Periah, Etc Etc, Uchida is the only mozart i need and accept.
    Yet can we say Lang and wang are great pianists in the line of many past legends?
    Though i will be honest, many past greats were not so great afterall the DUST HAS SETTLED. With hindsight i see quitea few past legends were no more than that, a mere legend, little excellence.
    Now with superior hearing skills, Lang and wangs' recordings today and in the future will all , only muster mediocrity
    A level of quality i always shunned and am not about to start now, at this late in my critque career to allow for any
    mediocracy
    Not on my watch. No sir.
    Lang and Wang, above *average* = not really interested.
    = No cigar. and more Lang's and Wang's on the horizon.
    I have my collection complete, and i am not interested in romantic concertos, so to me, its neither here nor there, i don
    't attend concerts.
    CM has become , like all things post mod, commercialIZED.
    too-shayyyyy

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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post
    I thought Zimerman was Polish, but hey-ho.....
    Zimerman , IMHO, if we exempt his Ravel and Debussy solo works, which are good, nothing great. , is one of the last truly great pianists.
    *Why, may i ask?*
    sure you may. For his Ravel concerto.
    Which no one, especially a asian will ever challenge.
    Plus I believe others acclaim his Beethoven concertos. I've seen parts of the 5th, snippets, he is perhaps the finest.
    There the Beethoven 5th and the greatest ever Ravel concerto.
    He is european. Poland is EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    Zimerman , IMHO, if we exempt his Ravel and Debussy solo works, which are good, nothing great. , is one of the last truly great pianists.
    *Why, may i ask?*
    sure you may. For his Ravel concerto.
    Which no one, especially a asian will ever challenge.
    Plus I believe others acclaim his Beethoven concertos. I've seen parts of the 5th, snippets, he is perhaps the finest.
    There the Beethoven 5th and the greatest ever Ravel concerto.
    He is european. Poland is EU.
    I would have thought western audiences would prefer to listen to western performers - so Lang and Wang seem to have done well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    I would have thought western audiences would prefer to listen to western performers - so Lang and Wang seem to have done well.
    western audiences are looking for a nite out at the concert. who ever, what ever is playing is just fine with them. as long as they don;'t have to sit home and get bored looking at the stupid TV.
    Now onto Zimerman, His Bartok 1st/Boulez/Chicago, is OK, = *not too great*, I recant my *Zimerman,,,greatest,,blah blah blah*.
    Yet his ravel stands as a towering achievement , no asian will ever come close.

    WOW just think, from nearly 100 % american/EU pianists 20, 30, 50 yrs ago,,to now, in 20, 30 years, 75% + asians in the piano chair.
    As I say to me its neither here nor there, because all they play are the romantics, a style i am not the least interested in.
    OK, they do like to perform Prokofiev,,,soso Prokofiev. = Not interested. No asian will approach Ashkenazy and Brofman. There are 2 other russian sets if 2 is not enough for you.
    Sure Wang gets most of Prokofiev right,,,but who is looking for highlights, I want 1st to last note consistent.
    I did not say perfection, just consistency.
    I rate her Prokofiev 8/10, being generous there on a extra star.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    Zimerman , IMHO, if we exempt his Ravel and Debussy solo works, which are good, nothing great. , is one of the last truly great pianists.
    *Why, may i ask?*
    sure you may. For his Ravel concerto.
    Which no one, especially a asian will ever challenge.
    Plus I believe others acclaim his Beethoven concertos. I've seen parts of the 5th, snippets, he is perhaps the finest.
    There the Beethoven 5th and the greatest ever Ravel concerto.
    He is european. Poland is EU.
    Do I really need to explain what the EU is, or indeed how awful it is to refer to a Pole as German? Or indeed the difference between the EU and Europe? Choosing ones words carefully is a useful skill to possess, I hope one day you learn how to.....

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    so when Wang makesa Beethoven piano concerto recording, new concert shows, greater popularity, as Beethoven will push her fame to ever new heights, Wang does Beethoven. Huge Neon lights by her manager, her recording studio,, her promoters. Beethoven sells, And wang knows it,
    Folks will be very willing to pay the $125 fora seat,,up from her current $100 a seat,,
    Why the extra $25, you ask,. Because Beethoven sells, , Beethoven gets top $, and Wang knows it.
    She will sell out , world wide.
    Beethoven always sells out
    Concert could be right next door to my house, free, entrance, , not interested, Even if she played the Prokofiev PC, free ticket, sorry not interested.
    Its all a game, its modern times, its consumerism, its all about business.
    $100 for a concert,,,+ parking,,,for a concert that has 2nd rate performers, conductor/artist/orchestra.

    CM is dying at a alarming rate. And you well know it. Just admit it.
    Wang will make Beethoven piano concerto recording #231 in the catalogue. Did we really need yet another Beethoven concerto record?
    I mean really?
    But Wang knows the deal, New cd, new concert world wide schedules = money in the bank.

    btw
    She prefers pop/rock/jazz music listening , pre/after the show.
    She is a jazzy lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post
    Do I really need to explain what the EU is, or indeed how awful it is to refer to a Pole as German? Or indeed the difference between the EU and Europe? Choosing ones words carefully is a useful skill to possess, I hope one day you learn how to.....
    Ok so I thought with ZIMERMAN he was german, still you have not presented any case defense that CM pianist seats are being filled more and more with asians as each day unfolds,,and they do a OK job(a blah blah performance) in YOUR (not mine, as i am not at all interested in the romantics) great concertos, and that CM is dying. Lets get back to major issues and let go of these quibbles as to where a pianist is from.

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