Wang and Lang

**paulbest** · Aug-25-2019, 16:21

What should have given him away as Polish, is Krystian, But it was the Zimerman which made me think, thats german. Anyway, Zimerman is OK in some works, so so at others and superior in a few.
I would like to see Wang and Lang make a bartok 1st, 2nd concerto, especially the great 2nd, my favorite, .
The 3rd I never cared for and never listen to it.
I just can not imagine either hammering either Bartok out with any degree of success.
Its way out their reach.
Yet both are very successful and making $$$$$ in this game. Stinks. Modern man has gone kooky.
He has too much cash in the bank and too bored with his TV set.

**CnC Bartok** · Aug-25-2019, 16:27

Originally Posted by paulbest

Ok so I thought with ZIMERMAN he was german, still you have not presented any case defense that CM pianist seats are being filled more and more with asians as each day unfolds,,and they do a OK job(a blah blah performance) in YOUR (not mine, as i am not at all interested in the romantics) great concertos, and that CM is dying. Lets get back to major issues and let go of these quibbles as to where a pianist is from.

Honestly, I don't care whether a pianist is Asian, Polish, German or Eskimo, for the love of God. Those Concertos are not mine, they are Mankind's.

**Becca** · Aug-25-2019, 16:29

Originally Posted by paulbest

Lets get back to major issues and let go of these quibbles as to where a pianist is from.

Exactly, so why don't you quit with all your constant blather about all the asian musicians.

**insomniclassicac** · Aug-25-2019, 16:34

IMO, the racism and sexism on display in this thread is pretty disgusting. A good reminder of why I backed off posting here awhile back.

**paulbest** · Aug-25-2019, 16:34

No those are YOUR and all you romantic/classicists concertos, No are not for us , The Modernists.
OK Ok, so Prokofiev just barely edges in as a modern concerto, less his 1st PC, which is romantic, but I love it quite a lot.

**paulbest** · Aug-25-2019, 16:42

racism, sexism, ha, flinging baseless accusations .
I am being fair and honest in all this.

**Becca** · Aug-25-2019, 17:00

Originally Posted by paulbest

racism, sexism, ha, flinging baseless accusations .
I am being fair and honest in all this.

The fact that YOU consider it "fair and honest" does not mean that it isn't racist or sexist. We have certainly seen plenty of the latter in other threads.

**paulbest** · Aug-25-2019, 17:06

Look the general mindless public pushed me to make some far reaching comments which may appear distasteful and a bit arrogant.
When the public grants Wang a 5 minute standing ovation, for what? Mediocre concertos?
Not on my watch. i like to put things in correct perspective.
i am a record critic, this is what i do.
I should be allowed some considerations, and immunity in how i express things.

**Enthusiast** · Aug-25-2019, 17:12

There is no doubt in my mind that several posts from today in this thread are racist. Paul started it with some unpleasant assertions about Asians and others joined in, apparently unaware that there have long been several top classical musicians with an Asian background and that they have a strong following among audiences in Europe. Meanwhile, the sexism in this and similar threads seems to have become casual, almost routine.

**Larkenfield** · Aug-25-2019, 17:13

An ounce of fact checking prevents a pound of foolishness—

Lang Lang: Bartok Piano Concerto No. 2 with Boulez:

Yuja Wang: Bartok Piano Concerto No. 1 with Salonen:

**Enthusiast** · Aug-25-2019, 17:22

Originally Posted by paulbest

i like to put things in correct perspective.
i am a record critic, this is what i do.
I should be allowed some considerations, and immunity in how i express things.

So you are a record critic? Do you mean your posts here? Or are you claiming to actually be a professional or even a published critic? I don't believe you.

Also, if you were a critic that would not entitle you to "some considerations, and immunity". The opposite would be the case. Having a public position means being more responsible for what you say and more obliged to justify it or get off the stage.

As for what goes on in concert halls (and your undercover - presumably for fear of being recognised - witness role).... you may have a sense for what goes down in US halls (but I strongly doubt it) but you clearly know nothing about concert halls in the rest of the world.

Taking all together with your posting style I strongly suspect that you are Donald Trump in disguise.

**philoctetes** · Aug-25-2019, 17:26

But should we tolerate his comments, OMG!

**paulbest** · Aug-25-2019, 17:30

Goodness gracious , have i pompously set myself as a Don Trump wannabe.
Oh no,
Now i know my efforts in exposing the new fraud in classical piano concerts/recordings has backfired.

Modern concertos,,lets begin with Schnittke, Henze and Schoenberg/Berg, also Carter.

**Larkenfield** · Aug-25-2019, 17:42

Originally Posted by paulbest

Modern concertos,,lets begin with Schnittke, Henze and Schoenberg/Berg, also Carter.

Oh. Now it’s Schnittke, Henze and Schoenberg/Berg instead of Bartok. That’s called changing the goal posts. You might consider there are even non-Asians who prefer not to play their works — including Russians, Germans and Austrians.

**Johnnie Burgess** · Aug-25-2019, 17:59

Also has work by Webern and Berg.

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