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    Please by all means include Bartok's modern 2nd,,, my fav of the 3, and also the great 1st Bartok, his 3rd does not consider in the list, as i don;'t like it and not dif to play, and if thats not enough,,its nothing really great. A insignificane work, not a masterpiece as are his 2nd and perhaps his 1st.
    I would like to see more Prokofiev from Lang and Wang, PC's 3,4,5 from Wang, and 2,3,4,5 from Lang, ,
    It could be via bartok and/or Prokofiev that would make me a believer in the proposition ~~asians can perform modern concertos~~
    I give Wang high score for challenging the Prokofiev 2nd, but only can allow 8/10 on her perfomance.
    Of course we should take in Paavo janvi's good (though someone here on TC has seen Jarvi live and has less appreciations than I) conducting and lousey Berlin Phil performance.
    In spite of these possible weakness for her support, the artist is on her own, and Wang just never musters a convincing performance in the difficult sections.
    Prokofiev really challenges the artist to the max. In certain places.
    As I say I for one, appreciate her efforts, I make allowances due to the difficulty of the concerto, NO allowances in the Beethoven concertos. None , zero. All 5 are relatively straight forward and if i say, for a accomplished concert pianist, easy and simple to perform. No concessions given, , either perfection of 2 thumbs down. Nothing in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Burgess View Post


    Also has work by Webern and Berg.
    Yes i did say, or was about to add in, Uchida's cd with Boulez is quite good, if not excellent.
    Its been some time, But as i recall I was very pleased with her Schoenberg,,of course she has superior backup in conducting, which is Schoenberg is essential for success.

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    Just back from a few notes of the Schoenberg, As I recall, i have some reserve to hold a high opinion.
    So my *quite good, if not excellent*,,can I rephrase this, to its *good*.
    I don't want to look like a stick in the mud all the time on this topic.
    That cd, might add additional support to my hypothesis. , My imaginations

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    Yep , just cked,
    I lefta comment about Uchida and pollini's Schnoenberg over on Peter Hill's Naxos release of piano solo 2nd viennese, There i said in Feb 2006, Both Uchida/Pollini are good, but I MUCH MORE prefer Peter Hill.
    I hold to that now 14 year old opinion.


    Peter Hill states in the notes, *I believe i have something to say in 2nd Viennese piano*, and he was correct, he has a definitive (if this word can be used in 2nd viennese idiom) voice in the 3 great composers.


    https://www.amazon.com/Schoenberg-Be...gateway&sr=8-1

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    All of this silliness about ‘the Asians this’ and ‘the Asians that’. The people of mainland China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea and Japan would be surprised to find that they inherently have certain classical music limitations. The truth is that classical music is receiving a much needed lift from the surging interest in CM in these countries and the wonderful artists that are coming from these countries.

    When it comes to the alleged limitations of Asian artists playing modern works, if I were to present anonymous sample recordings of some modern works, I would bet that the person in question could not pick out an Asian artist from the others.

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    Another excellent Bartok performance with Lang Lang and Simon Rattle:



    There’s nothing wrong with the Bartok 3rd. It’s as Bartok as his other concertos if played with great vitality and enthusiasm, even if it is lighter and less abstract than his usual style because it was a surprise birthday gift to his wife. But he had a good reason for the change if one looks into it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pian...o._3_(Bartók)
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    Most likely not,
    Uchida's from Peter Hill, maybe after a few minutes,,maybe after a few bars,,,, I think the latter would be sufficient.
    Thing is asians do not record, perform modern concertos, a few solo modern pieces, like Boulez (which i don;'t like/care for) can be found among asian contestants in piano comps.
    I would say, piano comps, all contestants, play romantic, to get the win.
    But i am refering to recording stars, Lang, Wang, Uchida,
    They seem resistant to record modern. For good reason,
    Uchida, like her 2 followers , all stay within the romantics. For good reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    Just back from a few notes of the Schoenberg, As I recall, i have some reserve to hold a high opinion.
    So my *quite good, if not excellent*,,can I rephrase this, to its *good*.
    I don't want to look like a stick in the mud all the time on this topic.
    That cd, might add additional support to my hypothesis. , My imaginations
    Not everything is about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philoctetes View Post
    But should we tolerate his comments, OMG!

    Well, there's always "Ignore"...but now other people have taken to quoting him in their posts. I wish they'd stop that.


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    No, i simply refuse to hear Lang in Bartok, why subject me to further punishment?
    What have i done to deserve Lang's Bartok?
    Besides it s bartok's 3rd, a work i have dismissed decades ago.
    For me its a delete from his catalogue.
    Now if it was Bartok's 2nd, i would be RUTHLESS in my criticisms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Well, there's always "Ignore"...but now other people have taken to quoting him in their posts. I wish they'd stop that.
    Yes, you are right. Although I'm not going to push the ignore button, I pledge to ignore all his postings.

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    yeah thats right ignore reality, run off and pretend all is just full of glorious wonders in CM land, of lalala.
    Burden of proof is on you guys,

    Go right ahead and continue in your denials of what taking place in the CM Industry RACKET, mafia, scam, propaganda.
    You guys are playing false to truth.
    Not me, i always present my comments/reviews fair and square,
    You guys double deal the cards, and lie for the home team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    No, i simply refuse to hear Lang in Bartok, why subject me to further punishment?
    What have i done to deserve Lang's Bartok?
    Besides it s bartok's 3rd, a work i have dismissed decades ago.
    For me its a delete from his catalogue.
    Now if it was Bartok's 2nd, i would be RUTHLESS in my criticisms.
    The Bartok was not directed at you. I published it for those who might never have heard a great performance of the 3rd. Sorry, but it looks like you are being ruthless in your foolishness and I hear the pitter-patter of little Moderator feet gaining on you as a chaotic, disruptive influence.
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    Lang next to Ashkenazy and Brofman? Lets get real, Lang has been promoted, be for real, I call it propaganda=ized, like wang is propagandized.
    Why fools ourselves here, besides not only is Bartok's 3nda bonified dud, its easy to perform, Which is why Lang picked the 3rd and not the 1st, 2nd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    yeah thats right ignore reality, run off and pretend all is just full of glorious wonders in CM land, of lalala.
    Burden of proof is on you guys,

    Go right ahead and continue in your denials of what taking place in the CM Industry RACKET, mafia, scam, propaganda.
    You guys are playing false to truth.
    Not me, i always present my comments/reviews fair and square,
    You guys double deal the cards, and lie for the home team.
    That is just plain nasty. You don't have a monopoly on truth. Actually I haven't seen much truth at all. Nor have you presented any case whatsoever, only a bunch of personal opinions.
    Last edited by mmsbls; Aug-25-2019 at 20:02. Reason: Removed deleted quoted comments and response

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