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    What is your honest fair opinion of their recordings/performances?
    master pianists, great, excellent, better than average, or just OK?
    Their concerts sell out world wide.
    Poll time, cast your votes.

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    Or please add in any other pianists who you feel are commercialized, *milking the cow*, over rated.
    Not like the old masters use to play Rachmaninov, Prokofiev, Brahms, Beethoven,,thats for sure.
    New artist does not equate to superior performances,
    New is not always better you know.

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    just arrived Grimaud's ravel concerto/ she has 2 records out, I have both, both are closely a copy,
    This is the Zinman/Baltimore.
    The basic structure is all there,,,but in the details, she is sloppy, amateurish.
    This concerto is way over her head, Over Lang's ability and oway out of reach for Miss Wang.
    You see in the romantic material, the 3 shine like bright stars inn the heavens, Give them 20th C concertos, now their heavenly status falls like shooting stars falling to the mud.
    Ziman and Corbos Lobos , both are OK, nothing great, both orchestras are OK to fair, nothing like from the golden era.
    Oh how CM has fallen, fallen,,,in 100 yrs it will all be mushy and greyish.
    The Golden era is over.
    It died along with the last of the great composers,
    In 100 yrs CM performers will be average, nothing more.
    and folks will fill the seats cheering as if they are getting *The real deal*.
    I give Grimaud 3 stars on both. or lets say 7 stars of 10.
    Cplus.
    She plays the middle movement way too slow and over sentimental, It just lacks finesse and character.
    She fills every seat world wide $100 a pop.
    Death of CM, its upon us now,
    And the amazon is burning to the ground.

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    I listened to a good sample of both their performances and recordings. Both pretty forgettable. I'd say Lang Lang is more individual, but he turns the music into caricatures, overemphasing little things or a certain feature, and missing out on building something more overall. His interpretation of the famous part of Rachmaninov Rhapsody is in my opinion the worst I've ever heard. Fattens out the slim and slims down the fat (or rather speeds up the slow and slows down the fast), in such a way it takes away the whole point of the music.
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    Don't think being showy make good pianists. To me, that is what they both seem to be, concentrating more on acrobatics over the piano and how they look at the expense of how they are performing

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    just arrived Grimaud's ravel concerto/ she has 2 records out, I have both, both are closely a copy,
    This is the Zinman/Baltimore.
    The basic structure is all there,,,but in the details, she is sloppy, amateurish.
    This concerto is way over her head, Over Lang's ability and oway out of reach for Miss Wang.
    You see in the romantic material, the 3 shine like bright stars inn the heavens, Give them 20th C concertos, now their heavenly status falls like shooting stars falling to the mud.
    Ziman and Corbos Lobos , both are OK, nothing great, both orchestras are OK to fair, nothing like from the golden era.
    Oh how CM has fallen, fallen,,,in 100 yrs it will all be mushy and greyish.
    The Golden era is over.
    It died along with the last of the great composers,
    In 100 yrs CM performers will be average, nothing more.
    and folks will fill the seats cheering as if they are getting *The real deal*.
    I give Grimaud 3 stars on both. or lets say 7 stars of 10.
    Cplus.
    She plays the middle movement way too slow and over sentimental, It just lacks finesse and character.
    She fills every seat world wide $100 a pop.
    Death of CM, its upon us now.
    I suspect you haven’t listen to a lot of Hélène Grimaud’s work.


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    Everyone on amazon has praised Wang's Paganini concerto.
    So I just visted her YT upload.
    yuckky, I hardly recognize the work,. I use to listen to it every day, with all russian pianists back in the day on LP's,.
    I am telling you CM is getting cheated , distorted, robbed, polluted, diluted.
    You don;'t believe me I know this, You think i am a fool, as their seats fill the concert halls.
    I am saying the crwods that fill the concerts, have no stereo, no cd collection, do not know how to upload a MP 3 format (as i don't either), and yet they rave over the new artists.
    The Millennials will fill the concert seats in 20 yrs from now k, saying *wow what a great artist*, Yet you and i know we have 10 CDs in our collection which are *WOWS*.
    CM is dying.


    I re-grade Wang down to D minus in this *performance*, D MINUS,,yet the crowds give her 3 standing ovations. THREE!!!!!!!!




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    Oh so i see, We have a Grimaud fan club here on TC, How could I NOT guess so?
    All apologies to Grimaud's fan club here on TC, I am out numbered 10 to 1.
    In fact no doubt I am the only one. Now her rachmaninov was pretty good, I wpuld say, I think it was the 2nd, yes the 2nd rachmaninov, played with skill and passion.
    I find Grimaud hit N miss.

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    btw the Brahms is nota difficult concerto, You do realize,,Its pretty straight foward.
    I just skimmed through it, Typical piece Wang and Lang would play, Nice easy, yet gets great applause.
    She did OK in the Brahms , not any better than the 100 recordings you have in your collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judith View Post
    Don't think being showy make good pianists. To me, that is what they both seem to be, concentrating more on acrobatics over the piano and how they look at the expense of how they are performing
    Thanks a lot! You are 100% to the point. Chinese pianists aren't my favourites. The Chinese circus is super...
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    btw the Brahms is nota difficult concerto, You do realize,,Its pretty straight foward.
    I just skimmed through it, Typical piece Wang and Lang would play, Nice easy, yet gets great applause.
    She did OK in the Brahms , not any better than the 100 recordings you have in your collection.
    My references show the Brahms 1st to be a fairly difficult concerto (the #2 one of the most difficult). Do you have references indicating that the #1 is ‘not a difficult concerto’.

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    As far as I'm concerned, every piano concerto is difficult.

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    well what led me a further deeper critque of Wang, as at the 1st, I LOVED her,,then i watched the 2 or 3 YT uploads of a day in her life,,,so i carefully noted what she said.
    I do not believe she loves CM as much as most might believe. I mean she enjoys pop music, before/after a concert duh?
    Head phones pop/jazz pre concert?
    Then I went to see her asian counter part , Lang.
    he's OK, not worth $100 a seat, and a standing ovation.
    I just see folks having no access to historic great recordings, and they know no better.
    Its all sensationalism today,,and that is not going away anytime soon.
    Now Hillary Hahn is the real deal. Only if you like Mendelsohn, Sibelius, Bruch. , Bach, thats all she concerts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    well what led me a further deeper critque of Wang, as at the 1st, I LOVED her,,then i watched the 2 or 3 YT uploads of a day in her life,,,so i carefully noted what she said.
    I do not believe she loves CM as much as most might believe. I mean she enjoys pop music, before/after a concert duh?
    Head phones pop/jazz pre concert?
    Then I went to see her asian counter part , Lang.
    he's OK, not worth $100 a seat, and a standing ovation.
    I just see folks having no access to historic great recordings, and they know no better.
    Its all sensationalism today,,and that is not going away anytime soon.
    Now Hillary Hahn is the real deal. Only if you like Mendelsohn, Sibelius, Bruch. , Bach, thats all she concerts.
    God help you if Hillary Hahn ever hits a clam or lets you down. You’ll have no place to turn because you’ve already created such a bleak picture. And what you’re saying about the concert halls is simply not true. At least in the big markets, there is a mixture of the traditional and the new or modern in the way of music, including commissioned premieres. Smaller markets are of course more conservative. But not everyone goes to the concert halls anyway. They listen at home where the choices are unlimited and can sound great if their sound system consists of more than two tin cans tied together by a string. People do not like to be force-fed somebody else’s taste, and most people can find something that they’re looking for if they’re looking up for it rather than down. I’ve seen ticket prices at the LA Philharmonic for a little is $17, though prices will of course vary depending on where one lives. But no one is required to pay $100 for a ticket to hear the big names under most circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    God help you if Hillary Hahn ever hits a clam or lets you down. You’ll have no place to turn because you’ve already created such a bleak picture. And what you’re saying about the concert halls is simply not true. At least in the big markets, there is a mixture of the traditional and the new or modern in the way of music. Smaller markets are of course more conservative. But not everyone goes to the concert halls anyway. They listen at home where the choices are unlimited and can sound great if their sound system consists of more than two tin cans tied together by a string. People do not like to be force-fed somebody else’s taste, and most people can find something that they’re looking for if they’re looking up for it rather than down. It’s hard to imagine anyone more healthy or body and mind and gifted with talent than Hilary Hahn.

    https://radionetwork.wfmt.com/progra...-philharmonic/
    Now this is a fair post,.
    Look Hillary Hahn sold out 4 shows in Chicago, all Sibelius. Chicago isa 4M size community, and i am sure some folks drove 100+ miles to get to the show.

    I mean if folks want to spend $100 to hear Lang and Wang, good for them.
    I have a huge french tube amp, tube opre, tube Cd player etc . so its unlikely I can skip a great perf on a cd at home, , to go pay $100+ to hear a 2nd rate performance. Thats all i am saying.

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