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    Well, he was Austrian, like Mozart, and Mozart was a practicing Catholic...was Schubert one too?

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    Just curious, is Wikipedia blocked in Israel? It took 30 seconds to find that he was a baptized catholic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    Just curious, is Wikipedia blocked in Israel? It took 30 seconds to find that he was a baptized catholic.
    Baptised, yes, but did he practice the faith?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds Weep Snowflakes View Post
    Baptised, yes, but did he practice the faith?
    If you google "Schubert a Catholic" you'll find several articles on the subject.

    A few brief comments from memory:

    Schubert came from a very religious family and was brought up strictly in the RC faith. At school he sang in the choir which was attached to the Imperial Court. By the time he was 19, he had already composed four complete settings of the Catholic Mass. Two more were to follow later in his short life, in addition to a German Requiem that was based on poetry rather than the Mass proper.

    From my readings of Schubert's adult life and times, I don't think he was a fully diligent, regular church-going member, but probably retained an affection and sense of attachment to the Church with occasional visits. Beethoven was probably in a roughly similar position. Mozart may have been a slightly more a regular church attender. It was Joseph Haydn who was the most religious of all the great composers of that general era.

    Schubert certainly wrote a great deal of religious music of various kinds, which suggests that he remained in sympathy with the Church. I believe he also received a few commissions for works from his local church. I addition to the 6 massess, he wrote lots of smaller devotional pieces, e.g. Tantum Ergo, Magnifcat.

    One pecularity about his masses is that he left out a key part of the "Credo" which is one of the main parts of a mass, forming the central statement of RC doctrine. This is "and in one holy catholic and apostolic church". It indicates that he had a problem with this item for some reason. Its exclusion caused problems with the Church authorities, who understandably became reluctant to use the masses.

    When he died, he was given a RC funeral and laid to rest a short distance from Beethoven's grave, as per his last wishes. It was many years later that both were transferred to the cemetery where they now exist, in graves next to each other
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    Schubert's father was devout. Schubert himself appeared to be much less so, despite his large output of liturgical music.
    '...a violator of his word, a libertine over head and ears in debt and disgrace, a despiser of domestic ties, the companion of gamblers and demireps, a man who has just closed half a century without a single claim on the gratitude of his country or the respect of posterity...' - Leigh Hunt on the Prince Regent (later George IV).

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    Thanks for the comments, why did he die so young? Was it some sort of illness?

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    Is the Pope Catholic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds Weep Snowflakes View Post
    Thanks for the comments, why did he die so young? Was it some sort of illness?
    Why don't you look it up yourself? All of your questions are easily researched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    Why don't you look it up yourself? All of your questions are easily researched.
    Par for the course for a user who regularly posts stuff like "what do major and minor stand for" and "is anyone into Wagner's opera?".

    Now, I'm not saying everyone should have years of experience listening and talking about Classical music before posting, but this is beyond not looking things up. This is attention-seeking behavior that's rewarded with every reply to them.
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    Some people just like to have other people talk to them. Nothing wrong with that.


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    As one other member once ask to OP: you don't go out much do you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerx View Post
    As one other member once ask to OP: you don't go out much do you.
    Actually, I'm one of those who doesn't go out much, because I can't. I'm sure there are others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Actually, I'm one of those who doesn't go out much, because I can't. I'm sure there are others.
    But you are not this OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds Weep Snowflakes View Post
    Thanks for the comments, why did he die so young? Was it some sort of illness?
    Now that question is very easily researched on Google.

    I think that in the entire annals of classical music perhaps the most well-known fact is that Beethoven went deaf but still wrote tons of high quality music.

    A close second must be that Schubert died age 31 as a result of complications arising from his late-stage syphilis (yes, I know that the precise medical cause is uncertain).

    If it's not that then it must be that Mozart also died young and before finishing his Requiem.

    Or possibly that Tchaikovsky was homosexual (you've raised a thread on the topic).

    Yet another is that Brahms was bonkers about Clara Schumann.

    I 'm surprised there hasn't been a T-C poll on the most well-known "facts" about classical music, such as those above. It would be amusing to see where Wagner's views on.. er.. um..you know rank in the top 100. We could have a long discussion about that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partita View Post
    ...I think that in the entire annals of classical music perhaps the most well-known fact is that Beethoven went deaf but still wrote tons of high quality music.
    Fact schmact! Recent musicological research has revealed that Beethoven faked his deafness and paid Schindler to write most of his most famous works.


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